Hundreds of cancellations
06-03-2022, 08:58 AM
#601
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
FAR117.25(b)
Before beginning any reserve or flight duty period a flightcrew member must be given at least 30 consecutive hours free from all duty within the past 168 consecutive hour period.
Before beginning any reserve or flight duty period a flightcrew member must be given at least 30 consecutive hours free from all duty within the past 168 consecutive hour period.
06-03-2022, 09:08 AM
#602
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Originally Posted by blue vortex
Its an ATL trip, also need that info to look it up. FYI, before you start any flight duty period, you must look back 168 hours and find 30 hours of rest. What basically makes this trip legal is the fact that it has an early report on the last day and at that moment in time if you go back 168 hours you can find 30 hours rest before the trip starts. Interesting enough if the last day had reported after 1446 base time (EDT in this case) it would not be legal. Nothing prohibiting flying seven days in a row with FAR 117. Just the way the idiots at the FAA wrote it the reg!
Believe me, I know there's nothing prohibiting flying 7 days in a row! I've done 10+ in a row, usually over Thanksgiving or Christmas thanks to 30 hour layovers and being junior (although that has never been one continuous trip like this). That is bad enough, but to be on the road unplanned and non-intl for 7 days is egregious.
Not to mention what I'm sure are multiple blatant PWA violations in coverage to make that monstrosity.
06-03-2022, 09:52 AM
#603
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Originally Posted by 3 green
Yes any open time known about more than 14 hours out has to go through the trip coverage ladder before a reroute is allowed. (the whole ladder) At least this is my understanding. If that's true, that one rotation should get several guys pay protected.
There's no way 14,000 line plots can do the forensics on this or to reasonably be expected to even know how to.
Every single coverage and RR needs to be completely forensically reviewed either manually or automatically.
06-03-2022, 10:14 AM
#604
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Originally Posted by gloopy
This.
There's no way 14,000 line plots can do the forensics on this or to reasonably be expected to even know how to.
Every single coverage and RR needs to be completely forensically reviewed either manually or automatically.
There's no way 14,000 line plots can do the forensics on this or to reasonably be expected to even know how to.
Every single coverage and RR needs to be completely forensically reviewed either manually or automatically.
06-03-2022, 07:54 PM
#605
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Originally Posted by BlueSkies
Anyone who wants to see a crazy Frankensteined trip look up 3276 on 31MAY. 
(And no, it's not my trip.) I don't see how that could possibly be legal. 7 days in a row with no 30 hours of rest? And how the heck could someone in CT possibly build this?
(And no, it's not my trip.) I don't see how that could possibly be legal. 7 days in a row with no 30 hours of rest? And how the heck could someone in CT possibly build this?
06-03-2022, 11:41 PM
#606
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Originally Posted by ApachePhil
Not idiots, scientists. Paid for scientists. They also concluded that flying 9 hours a day is less fatiguing than flying 8 hours a day.
Not saying you need to agree with me, but it's a far sight from 9 hours being less fatiguing than 8.
06-04-2022, 02:28 AM
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Originally Posted by 3 green
Maybe the next contract needs to simplify things and make any reroute 1.5 pay and a second reroute on the same trip makes the whole rotation 2.5 pay..That would simplify things.
Oh, and contract wide, any company assigned schedule changes that return to base more than four hours from original release becomes a proffer.
06-04-2022, 04:11 AM
#609
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Originally Posted by Boatbuilder
RR’s abrogate seniority. You bid it, you got it, you’re supposed to fly it. Anything else should be premium pay.
06-04-2022, 05:00 AM
#610
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Originally Posted by PilotWombat
This is another area of the contract i think is more complicated than it needs to be. Reroutes are essentially an IA(WC), so let's just treat it as one. Pay protected for the original trip, any changes are paid at 200%. I could see an argument for up to the original block as single pay, but certainly anything over that should be double.
Oh, and contract wide, any company assigned schedule changes that return to base more than four hours from original release becomes a proffer.
Oh, and contract wide, any company assigned schedule changes that return to base more than four hours from original release becomes a proffer.
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