Whoopsmybad

It’s because all those 4 legs moved to junior ER schedules…..

Those mitigation’s they announced for the NB schedules didn’t include the ER, because it’s a WB fleet (cough: with over 100 NB planes).

Gooner

What, are you trying to fix the internet? I applaud the idea but it’s not nearly inflammatory enough to be picked up by google or the twitters. Try throwing a whole generation, race or nation under the bus, then you go “viral” (though you’d think we’d steer clear of that term at this point).

TED74

Do you care to share any of your demographics? Age? How many years in the industry? Background? Family? Kids? Any older parents or
siblings that require help with their lives or healthcare? Do you have passions outside of flying or other involvements with friends or clubs that drive certain recurring needs for certain days off? It probably takes a certain level of maturity and life experience to learn how to empathize with others whose circumstances are not your own. Not everyone can do it even with some gray hair, but it’s worth a try. There’s a good chance that anyone who is griping has good reason to do so. I give them the benefit of the doubt.

Plenty of folks “do” narrowbody so as to have some semblance of category seniority and hopefully get some critical days off. Maybe they treasure vacation weeks that are historically hard to get. Maybe they need weekends off so they can see their kids or juggle challenging shared custody arrangements. Maybe they’ve got a kid or two getting married in the year ahead and they can’t cede total schedule control for 210 or 365 days to an employer who doesn’t care about their schedule or their seniority. Maybe they’ve tried international WB and they simply couldn’t sleep and/or couldn’t function with time zone disruptions. Maybe their elderly parents need regular attention and they can’t risk flying 6-day+ trips or being out of the country when trouble hits.

You do you - that’s what this place is for. Just letting you know you can sound like a petulant child in case you care. Lucky for you, you’re living your dream. Hopefully we all can get back to an operation that makes dream-living more accessible for everyone.

Scoop

First off - True, plenty of negativity on SM and nice to see some optimistic outlooks. As far as guys saying go to UAL and AAL becasue DAL sucks thats OK becasue the Pilots at UAL and AAL are telling their new hires to go to DAL becasue they suck. Its required discourse at all legacy airlines.

That said trip construction is all BES equipment specific and run on the spectrum of crappy to good but defitely leaning to the crappy side these days.

Scoop

FlexManFlex

Dude, if someone has been here for a decade, why the actual hell aren't they flying WBs if they don't want NB trips? Its like a guy asking his wife to beat the hell out of him for pleasure, then complain that it hurts. You must enjoy the pain if you don't make the change so therefore you cannot complain. Am I not making sense? This concept isn't rocket science.

Trip, I would be the first to call in fatigued on that SFO-ATL-JAX-ATL-JAX trip... no doubt about it that sounds awful

Yes, I use too many exclamations marks, my wife hates that too about me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I LOVE MY JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FlexManFlex

I get it man. I do have it lucky because I can pick trips with 1 or 2 legs max and days off doesn't mean a lot to me. I get everyone is in a different place in life.

TED74

” Complaining “ is part of the process to improve something that isn’t working. Since you aren’t sharing your demographics, I don’t know how long you have been here. It used to be better. You used to be able to enjoy NB flying even at reasonably low seniority. That means it’s possible to return to that condition, and we as a union should strive for that together. By downplaying legitimate concerns of your union brethren, you are saying much about your general concern of and for your association. Sadly, it isn’t a good look.

Someone who lives in SLC should not have to commute to WB flying to enjoy their work. Someone who has been here ten years, or someone who finds themself in the top 15% of a category shouldn’t be told to shut up and color (or “just go to one of our extremely liked WB slots in your base or perhaps a different base” because they’re experiencing the worst quality of life they have had since being hired.

Frankly, in the context of the multitude of situations disgruntled pilots find themselves in and your inability to understand their legitimate concerns, no - I don’t think you are making sense. It isn’t rocket science, but it is definitely more complicated than you seem to appreciate. People came to Delta for varied reasons, but one of them was commonly flexibility. That flexibility is helpful to accommodate one’s own life changes and interests and needs. Being forced to use that flexibility solely to correct for mismanagement at the expense of all other life priorities is an extreme backslide of quality of life in this career and at this employer. For your own sake, perhaps it’s best if you never really have to understand all of that. But the odds are that this little situation we’re dealing with will bite you too, should it continue unabated. No reason you can’t keep loving your job. Try giving those who don’t the smidgen of respect that each deserves. It’s actually pretty easy in an anonymous online chat room - I promise.

StartngOvr

Just because you can bid for a wide body at 10 years isn’t a valid excuse for narrowbody trips to suck. Stop making excuses for the significant decline in trip quality across the NB fleets. Just because you weren’t here when it was better doesn’t make it acceptable.

I hope some significant suck factor makes it to your category at some point and maybe you won’t be so narrow minded.

Oh, I almost forgot:

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Whoopsmybad

Yes NB trips suck. But WB B in ATL has gone as low as 2019 hires in the 765. Not 10 years.

StartngOvr

You are correct. 10 years was Flex’s argument for why sh!++y NB trips are acceptable.