UPS has a TA
06-15-2022 | 10:17 AM
#21
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Comparing 220 to UPS is like comparing RJ rates to a DL 767. The smallest plane at UPS is a 757 and makes up only 1/3 of the fleet. The other 2/3 are all WB. The most accurate DL : UPS comparison would be A330 to UPS.
FedEx has bands for NB (757 and 737) and WB, so the FedEx NB rate could be compared to DL 737/320/757. Nothing flown by the large cargo carriers is comparable to the A220 based on the industry norms of size and range.
FedEx has bands for NB (757 and 737) and WB, so the FedEx NB rate could be compared to DL 737/320/757. Nothing flown by the large cargo carriers is comparable to the A220 based on the industry norms of size and range.
06-15-2022 | 10:36 AM
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An honest comparison would look at the average pay rate across all fleets combined at each carrier. Comparing the Delta “super premium” top rate to UA when only a very small percentage of pilots actually earn it is disingenuous.
06-15-2022 | 11:25 AM
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Also it’s just a pay rate. Without context of what other gains they got, it’s hard to tell. If we got an extra 2 weeks vacation, min day, 25% dc, etc. and a 10/3/3/3 raise, we might not be upset about it. A 10/3/3/3 raise stand alone with no other improvements would be a POS here.
06-15-2022 | 11:37 AM
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Our 2020 extension 1.0 was a two year extension and has a 3% payraise effective 1Sept this year.
The 2022 extension 2.0 TA would be a two year extension with three payraises (4% 2023, 3.25% 2024, 3.25% on contract amendable date in 2025). Its total value is a hair shy of $478M and 45% of that value is defined benefit pension increases.
Based on your fantastic DALPA 2021 Contract Comparison, 35.6% of CAs/38.8% of FOs are on 7ER or larger equipment, with 17.7% of CAs/23.1% of FOs on 765/A332 or larger equipment.
Fortunately for you all, DALPA doesn't have to contend with NLRB-governed IBT and their 300k+ employees that can (and have publicly stated their intent to) strike when their contract expires next summer.
The 2022 extension 2.0 TA would be a two year extension with three payraises (4% 2023, 3.25% 2024, 3.25% on contract amendable date in 2025). Its total value is a hair shy of $478M and 45% of that value is defined benefit pension increases.
Based on your fantastic DALPA 2021 Contract Comparison, 35.6% of CAs/38.8% of FOs are on 7ER or larger equipment, with 17.7% of CAs/23.1% of FOs on 765/A332 or larger equipment.
Fortunately for you all, DALPA doesn't have to contend with NLRB-governed IBT and their 300k+ employees that can (and have publicly stated their intent to) strike when their contract expires next summer.
06-15-2022 | 03:10 PM
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Also it’s just a pay rate. Without context of what other gains they got, it’s hard to tell. If we got an extra 2 weeks vacation, min day, 25% dc, etc. and a 10/3/3/3 raise, we might not be upset about it. A 10/3/3/3 raise stand alone with no other improvements would be a POS here.
06-15-2022 | 03:56 PM
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UPS will not negotiate in good faith until the IBT contract is ratified which at the earliest would be late 2023 or early 2024. After that they will take the pilot group seriously.
Meaning nothing for us until 2025, so a contract extension, while modest, woul be better than nothing.
Meaning nothing for us until 2025, so a contract extension, while modest, woul be better than nothing.
06-15-2022 | 05:00 PM
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UPS will not negotiate in good faith until the IBT contract is ratified which at the earliest would be late 2023 or early 2024. After that they will take the pilot group seriously.
Meaning nothing for us until 2025, so a contract extension, while modest, woul be better than nothing.
Meaning nothing for us until 2025, so a contract extension, while modest, woul be better than nothing.
I dont think that is what he meant…but ok
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