30% Raise DOS and 25% DC
09-12-2022 | 08:53 PM
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09-13-2022 | 04:02 AM
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Pay attention. This argument is structured around pay only to simplify it enough that a non-wonk can understand it. It’s the concept, not the details of ratifiable TA.
Work rules and benefits have their own models for costing. Some productivity gives can have value that offset the concession. Some benefit increases can offset other concessions.
What I’m saying is modest changes in overall productivity (work rules, benefits, etc) coupled with modest cost of living indexed pay raises can yield vastly superior results over the duration of a career. It requires discipline and a willingness to move on from past failures. Insisting on getting it all back is a losing strategy and fails every time and will fail this time as well.
Work rules and benefits have their own models for costing. Some productivity gives can have value that offset the concession. Some benefit increases can offset other concessions.
What I’m saying is modest changes in overall productivity (work rules, benefits, etc) coupled with modest cost of living indexed pay raises can yield vastly superior results over the duration of a career. It requires discipline and a willingness to move on from past failures. Insisting on getting it all back is a losing strategy and fails every time and will fail this time as well.
09-13-2022 | 04:13 AM
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It doesn’t matter how the money comes, whether in a check up front or in pay rates during the duration of the contract. The dollars at the end is what matters. We could just as easy say 2 annual pay raises of 13.2% with 0 signing bonus and retro. It adds up to 28.1% compounded over 5 years.
09-13-2022 | 04:33 AM
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It doesn’t matter how the money comes, whether in a check up front or in pay rates during the duration of the contract. The dollars at the end is what matters. We could just as easy say 2 annual pay raises of 13.2% with 0 signing bonus and retro. It adds up to 28.1% compounded over 5 years.
09-13-2022 | 05:41 AM
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There is a sequel to that somewhere that is as hilarious as the 1st.
“They can fire the f$c& me and I’ll be gladly on my f$&ki$g way!”
love it
09-13-2022 | 06:40 AM
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From: CRJ FO
That last update from the Negotiating Committee shows just how far apart we are with management in my opinion. Sure many things have been agreed to in principle, but the big stuff is going to take a long time.
The longer this drags out the worse the economy will be and the less leverage labor will have. This is why I have been saying I will be shocked if ANY major airline gets a contract anytime soon.
The longer this drags out the worse the economy will be and the less leverage labor will have. This is why I have been saying I will be shocked if ANY major airline gets a contract anytime soon.
09-13-2022 | 06:56 AM
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That last update from the Negotiating Committee shows just how far apart we are with management in my opinion. Sure many things have been agreed to in principle, but the big stuff is going to take a long time.
The longer this drags out the worse the economy will be and the less leverage labor will have. This is why I have been saying I will be shocked if ANY major airline gets a contract anytime soon.
The longer this drags out the worse the economy will be and the less leverage labor will have. This is why I have been saying I will be shocked if ANY major airline gets a contract anytime soon.
09-13-2022 | 06:57 AM
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The flip side is that a chronic shortage of pilots will force wage growth well above inflation. If the economy tanks in the short term, it relieves pressure on the company demanded forced productivity. Remember the permanent ALV reduction we scored during China Flu?
09-13-2022 | 07:04 AM
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As is usual with pilots, you are completely lost on the concept of money value. We negotiate for a dollar figure over the time duration of the contract. You are a great illustration of the problem and certainly not an outlier. What happens on the next contract down the road will apply for that time duration. We could never get another pay raise again and instead get signing bonuses to make up for the lower rates relative to our peers.
