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Old 09-12-2022 | 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
And your opinion on if the party of the people/worker will allow them to strike?
i don’t care to make this about my opinion of a political party.
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Old 09-12-2022 | 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
Agreed. Let's hope the labor friendly party in Congress will allow the railroad workers to strike this week. It might give us some leverage. We need to move to a strike vote ASAP. How did they start negotiations in January 2020 and yet they are only 4 days away from a strike? How far away from a strike are we?
Seven years at the soonest.
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Old 09-12-2022 | 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
Are you counting a signing bonus as a raise?
It doesn’t matter how the money comes, whether in a check up front or in pay rates during the duration of the contract. The dollars at the end is what matters. We could just as easy say 2 annual pay raises of 13.2% with 0 signing bonus and retro. It adds up to 28.1% compounded over 5 years.
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Old 09-12-2022 | 03:03 PM
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Barring a literal Act of Congress or a last second agreement burning the midnight oil, the railroads will be released to euphemistically "seek self help" and/or the railroads will be free to impose a new contract and hire scabs, if they dare. (Didn't NWA do the latter with the NWA mechanics in 2005?(*))

Current PEB recommendations

1. Retro pay back to 2020
2. 14% DOS raise, raises to 24% by 2024
3. $5,000 bonus. Trivial to major airline pilots, significant to the average working man.

Sticking points scheduling and staffing. Not to mention EIGHT of the TWELVE unions involved with this deal are ready to sign off on current proposals. (Ah, union politics. Byzantine to the extreme. Embrace the inner Turk)

My bet is they'll burn the midnight oil and hash out something before Friday. Love to see if Congress would do anything (not a party endorsement AT ALL. Current speaker's party has a platform that's nominally "pro union". This is definitely a metal-meets-the-meat moment. This won't even be a blip in the "national conversation" until Friday +10 days. Airlines? More like Self help-day -10.) Very instructive to see the RLA process in action.


Best case scenario: Delta ALPA in a "down-to-the-wire" negotiation in a year or so.


(*) - Yeah, about a billion caveats to all of that. "The past is never dead. It's not even past." - W. Faulkner

Oh, and feel free to take potshots any any of the above. This is only how I understand the RLA process via APC and the ALPA MEC videos.

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Old 09-12-2022 | 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
their sick time system, for instance, has changed dramatically outside of the contract process
This. I have a close family member who is an engineer at one of the major railroads. The changes really were atrocious. It basically went from “call out sick if you need to, you’ll just lose the pay for the trip” to “call out sick and you’re fired.” As I understand it, that was the main catalyst for the NMB to actually declare an impasse and allow the process to move forward.
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Old 09-12-2022 | 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
i don’t care to make this about my opinion of a political party.
It isn’t about your opinion of the political party. It is your opinion on whether the controlling party lets them strike. Why wouldn’t they? They are the party of the common man/women. They are the champions of unionism. They are anti-corporation and run on platforms of workers rights. Can you imagine them choosing big corporations over workers? No reason why they shouldn’t allow our Union brother and sisters to strike.
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Old 09-12-2022 | 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
It isn’t about your opinion of the political party. It is your opinion on whether the controlling party lets them strike. Why wouldn’t they? They are the party of the common man/women. They are the champions of unionism. They are anti-corporation and run on platforms of workers rights. Can you imagine them choosing big corporations over workers? No reason why they shouldn’t allow our Union brother and sisters to strike.
i don’t know why they would or wouldn’t. I’m not a member nor privy to the machinations of their party politics.
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Old 09-12-2022 | 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
It isn’t about your opinion of the political party. It is your opinion on whether the controlling party lets them strike. Why wouldn’t they? They are the party of the common man/women. They are the champions of unionism. They are anti-corporation and run on platforms of workers rights. Can you imagine them choosing big corporations over workers? No reason why they shouldn’t allow our Union brother and sisters to strike.
There is no labor party in the US. The two parties fight over the common man when it's convenient but both are generally bought and paid for by corporations
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Old 09-12-2022 | 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
It isn’t about your opinion of the political party. It is your opinion on whether the controlling party lets them strike. Why wouldn’t they? They are the party of the common man/women. They are the champions of unionism. They are anti-corporation and run on platforms of workers rights. Can you imagine them choosing big corporations over workers? No reason why they shouldn’t allow our Union brother and sisters to strike.
Oh look, another political post….how fascinating and unpredictable
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Old 09-12-2022 | 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by 20Fathoms
This. I have a close family member who is an engineer at one of the major railroads. The changes really were atrocious. It basically went from “call out sick if you need to, you’ll just lose the pay for the trip” to “call out sick and you’re fired.” As I understand it, that was the main catalyst for the NMB to actually declare an impasse and allow the process to move forward.
https://youtu.be/6RpDELzVbG4

Probably depends on how you call in "sick" :-)
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