30% Raise DOS and 25% DC
09-06-2022 | 07:03 PM
#402
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From: Enoch Powell Enthusiast
The only interesting question is:
"Why now?"
(99% unrelated, but something to think about: Every VP is lobbying for the top spot someday. (here, or somewhere else) It's a greasy pole. Not this memo in particular, but keep it in the back of your mind. You're not the only audience)
"Why now?"
(99% unrelated, but something to think about: Every VP is lobbying for the top spot someday. (here, or somewhere else) It's a greasy pole. Not this memo in particular, but keep it in the back of your mind. You're not the only audience)
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09-07-2022 | 03:18 AM
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09-07-2022 | 04:48 AM
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Funny how they say in one sentence they want to give us an industry leading contract but then later say we need to tell our elected leaders what is a priority between pay, vacation, scheduling and retirement. Well, here are my priorities in no particular order.
Scheduling, vacation, pay and retirement.
Scheduling, vacation, pay and retirement.
09-08-2022 | 12:55 AM
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I have been on here advocating how we can make the biggest gains. You have been on here advocating a strategy that has never worked. It didn’t work for American in the 2000 cycle, it didn’t work for Delta on the 777 negotiations, it didn’t work for NWA in the SLI and it didn’t work for us on contract 2019. Perhaps you are managements water boy advocating a strategy that plays and played right into managements dream outcome.
Didnt you absolutely assure us that your boys were going to bring us a mind blowing on time contract because they were tough?
Didnt you absolutely assure us that your boys were going to bring us a mind blowing on time contract because they were tough?
09-08-2022 | 05:36 AM
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First have a focused opener not a decision to rewrite the entire contract. Keep the opener within a reasonable zone of expectations. Not ridiculous things like DALPA to control all rotation construction. If I were king which I am not the opener would have looked something like this.
3 year contract
pay 12, 6, 6
vacation to 5:15
Training 5:15
All pilots must have option for 1 week of vacation 07 June to 20 Aug
20% DC
14 hour long call
Open flying greater than 8 hours to report must use coverage ladder.
I year freeze on upgrades. 3 years on lateral or downbid in base, 1 year with base change.
All positions posted on a AE required to be filled
eliminate 1 year AE
profit sharing status quo
LCA override 50%
270 hours top sick leave, 150 before verification. Increase sick leave first year to 100 and adjust scale throughout accordingly.
Updated manning formula that adjusts on a category basis when GS’s exceed 4% of total block. Can adjust down when GS’s under 1% of block.
Class 1 rest facility for all flying over 12 hours block. Class 2 over 8 hours.
4 monthly PS spaces from home of record to domicile to be used at pilot option.
Commuting policy 1 flight arriving 60 minutes prior to report. Pilots expected to use good judgement on weather issues.
3 year contract
pay 12, 6, 6
vacation to 5:15
Training 5:15
All pilots must have option for 1 week of vacation 07 June to 20 Aug
20% DC
14 hour long call
Open flying greater than 8 hours to report must use coverage ladder.
I year freeze on upgrades. 3 years on lateral or downbid in base, 1 year with base change.
All positions posted on a AE required to be filled
eliminate 1 year AE
profit sharing status quo
LCA override 50%
270 hours top sick leave, 150 before verification. Increase sick leave first year to 100 and adjust scale throughout accordingly.
Updated manning formula that adjusts on a category basis when GS’s exceed 4% of total block. Can adjust down when GS’s under 1% of block.
Class 1 rest facility for all flying over 12 hours block. Class 2 over 8 hours.
4 monthly PS spaces from home of record to domicile to be used at pilot option.
Commuting policy 1 flight arriving 60 minutes prior to report. Pilots expected to use good judgement on weather issues.
09-08-2022 | 05:52 AM
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From: ir.delta.com
First have a focused opener not a decision to rewrite the entire contract. Keep the opener within a reasonable zone of expectations. Not ridiculous things like DALPA to control all rotation construction. If I were king which I am not the opener would have looked something like this.
3 year contract
pay 12, 6, 6
vacation to 5:15
Training 5:15
All pilots must have option for 1 week of vacation 07 June to 20 Aug
20% DC
14 hour long call
Open flying greater than 8 hours to report must use coverage ladder.
I year freeze on upgrades. 3 years on lateral or downbid in base, 1 year with base change.
All positions posted on a AE required to be filled
eliminate 1 year AE
profit sharing status quo
LCA override 50%
270 hours top sick leave, 150 before verification. Increase sick leave first year to 100 and adjust scale throughout accordingly.
Updated manning formula that adjusts on a category basis when GS’s exceed 4% of total block. Can adjust down when GS’s under 1% of block.
Class 1 rest facility for all flying over 12 hours block. Class 2 over 8 hours.
4 monthly PS spaces from home of record to domicile to be used at pilot option.
Commuting policy 1 flight arriving 60 minutes prior to report. Pilots expected to use good judgement on weather issues.
3 year contract
pay 12, 6, 6
vacation to 5:15
Training 5:15
All pilots must have option for 1 week of vacation 07 June to 20 Aug
20% DC
14 hour long call
Open flying greater than 8 hours to report must use coverage ladder.
I year freeze on upgrades. 3 years on lateral or downbid in base, 1 year with base change.
All positions posted on a AE required to be filled
eliminate 1 year AE
profit sharing status quo
LCA override 50%
270 hours top sick leave, 150 before verification. Increase sick leave first year to 100 and adjust scale throughout accordingly.
Updated manning formula that adjusts on a category basis when GS’s exceed 4% of total block. Can adjust down when GS’s under 1% of block.
Class 1 rest facility for all flying over 12 hours block. Class 2 over 8 hours.
4 monthly PS spaces from home of record to domicile to be used at pilot option.
Commuting policy 1 flight arriving 60 minutes prior to report. Pilots expected to use good judgement on weather issues.
09-08-2022 | 06:05 AM
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First have a focused opener not a decision to rewrite the entire contract. Keep the opener within a reasonable zone of expectations. Not ridiculous things like DALPA to control all rotation construction. If I were king which I am not the opener would have looked something like this.
3 year contract
pay 12, 6, 6
vacation to 5:15
Training 5:15
All pilots must have option for 1 week of vacation 07 June to 20 Aug
20% DC
14 hour long call
Open flying greater than 8 hours to report must use coverage ladder.
I year freeze on upgrades. 3 years on lateral or downbid in base, 1 year with base change.
All positions posted on a AE required to be filled
eliminate 1 year AE
profit sharing status quo
LCA override 50%
270 hours top sick leave, 150 before verification. Increase sick leave first year to 100 and adjust scale throughout accordingly.
Updated manning formula that adjusts on a category basis when GS’s exceed 4% of total block. Can adjust down when GS’s under 1% of block.
Class 1 rest facility for all flying over 12 hours block. Class 2 over 8 hours.
4 monthly PS spaces from home of record to domicile to be used at pilot option.
Commuting policy 1 flight arriving 60 minutes prior to report. Pilots expected to use good judgement on weather issues.
3 year contract
pay 12, 6, 6
vacation to 5:15
Training 5:15
All pilots must have option for 1 week of vacation 07 June to 20 Aug
20% DC
14 hour long call
Open flying greater than 8 hours to report must use coverage ladder.
I year freeze on upgrades. 3 years on lateral or downbid in base, 1 year with base change.
All positions posted on a AE required to be filled
eliminate 1 year AE
profit sharing status quo
LCA override 50%
270 hours top sick leave, 150 before verification. Increase sick leave first year to 100 and adjust scale throughout accordingly.
Updated manning formula that adjusts on a category basis when GS’s exceed 4% of total block. Can adjust down when GS’s under 1% of block.
Class 1 rest facility for all flying over 12 hours block. Class 2 over 8 hours.
4 monthly PS spaces from home of record to domicile to be used at pilot option.
Commuting policy 1 flight arriving 60 minutes prior to report. Pilots expected to use good judgement on weather issues.
To my knowledge DALPA never advocated for full control of rotation construction - where did you hear this, or why are you exaggerating?
09-08-2022 | 06:06 AM
#410
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This would have been my opener in 2019. Yes, you would not get everything. Pay might have ended up 8,4,4 and 18% DC. Company might have wanted a give somewhere for a 14 hour long call. Vacation might have been 4:30 a day. It’s all a negotiation! In the end my expectation would have been a net of about 1 billion in improvements.
