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09-08-2022 | 12:22 PM
#421
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09-08-2022 | 12:26 PM
#422
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Do you personally have schedule control? I think we could agree you do, because we have a system that lets you influence your monthly and training awards. No one would suggest that control over your schedule can only mean you alone dictate your schedule. Pilots want the RCC to similarly influence rotation quality rather than have all inputs potentially be completely ignored. Don’t be so obtuse as to interpret extremes that aren’t there - it’s really unbecoming.
09-08-2022 | 01:13 PM
#423
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They are open except for all the times they aren't which is most of them.
09-08-2022 | 01:30 PM
#424
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You’re insane. I do work with the RCC. The company is quite open in saying “RCC has no contractual teeth or language.”
09-08-2022 | 04:06 PM
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Your reading comprehension is poor. I stated the process is open and the union has full access. I made no comment on what the desired result was by the company and mentioned credit as a area of disagreement. Just because we don’t like the rotations as built does not mean it’s done in secret. The company even puts out a report stating where they did and did not comply with RCC requests.
09-08-2022 | 04:54 PM
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Your reading comprehension is poor. I stated the process is open and the union has full access. I made no comment on what the desired result was by the company and mentioned credit as a area of disagreement. Just because we don’t like the rotations as built does not mean it’s done in secret. The company even puts out a report stating where they did and did not comply with RCC requests.
09-08-2022 | 05:18 PM
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The chairman of the fatigue risk management committee explicitly said that there are certain parameters they use that they consider fatigue risk management that they refuse to share with the pilot group. And there are only 3 people in the union with permission to know what that list is. Sounds pretty open to me.
Safety first-ish! (bid pack)… but then more like third or fourth once flying is actually being executed. If they shared the mitigations they’ve agreed are fatiguing with the masses, they’d have to be accountable. If they keep them secret, we’ll only learn about them in the hull loss after action report.
09-08-2022 | 05:20 PM
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They also only apply certain mitigations to bid pack rotations but not to broken trips, reroutes or reserve assignments. Everyone knows rerouted pilots don’t need the same safety mitigations that other pilots need, amiright???
Safety first-ish! (bid pack)… but then more like third or fourth once flying is actually being executed. If they shared the mitigations they’ve agreed are fatiguing with the masses, they’d have to be accountable. If they keep them secret, we’ll only learn about them in the hull loss after action report.
Safety first-ish! (bid pack)… but then more like third or fourth once flying is actually being executed. If they shared the mitigations they’ve agreed are fatiguing with the masses, they’d have to be accountable. If they keep them secret, we’ll only learn about them in the hull loss after action report.
09-09-2022 | 05:59 AM
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The chairman of the fatigue risk management committee explicitly said that there are certain parameters they use that they consider fatigue risk management that they refuse to share with the pilot group. And there are only 3 people in the union with permission to know what that list is. Sounds pretty open to me.
#"The processes are extremely transparent." credit - saillingfun
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