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09-09-2022 | 07:46 AM

#441

Whoopsmybad

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Originally Posted by CBreezy

Right. And if we had contractual teeth to the RCC, Flight Ops could push back on the craziness that was the Network and Marketing selling more seats than they have pilots. I'm not saying it'll solve all our problems, but some categories have no 1-2 day trips and only 4-5 day trips. This refusal to compromise at all with the RCC because, reasons, is why we need contractual language.

Like I posted about the 330, they maybe seem to be figuring things out some (finally). While a long way to go for trip mix, there seems to be a healthier mix of trips across all fleets for Oct. maybe it’s just the fall pull back, or maybe it’s a mistake. Maybe in this I’m giving them too much credit (unlike them giving us no credit, pun intended).

I do believe we need something in the contract to protect us better.

09-09-2022 | 07:52 AM

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Gooner

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

Most, not all! It simply comes down to manning in each category which goes back to marketing. If they have the manning to meet the block needs the incorporate RCC wishes. If not which I agree has been the norm since the big recovery in demand they ignore the RCC.

What you meant to say was since the self imposed manning crunch created by stopping hiring in 2018, then exacerbated by the VEOP. My seniority is like a rocket ship, which is nice. But my rotations have been garbage and the coverage is near zero. I suppose the money from premium flying is nice but honestly I worry that the new precedent is that marketing can add to the schedule to maintain this breakneck pace that has been set. The point that the pilot group is tapped out on picking up premium is the only question I have left.

I miss the general schedule quality and profit sharing of 2017.

09-09-2022 | 08:08 AM

#443

crewdawg

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Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad

Ya, they finally appeased us with some 2 day trips (less than 2% of trips) and every single one of them hits the weekend...tone deaf! Of course there are still no 1-day trips. Alas, I'll just continue to fly the 1 and 2-day GS that get broken up from 3-5 day trips they can't fill. Thanks for the extra pay and PB days!

Break Break

Doesn't UPS give the legs that need to be flown to the Union and then the Union builds their trips/schedules?

09-09-2022 | 11:37 AM

#444

Whoopsmybad

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Originally Posted by crewdawg

Just curious, what kind of 1 days do you want on the 330? Because don’t y’all melt down over having to fly domestic? Only slight sarcasm here.

Edit:

You said you were on the 717, my bad.
Even though there are a pittance is 1 and 2 days, it’s 62% 3 days. Like I said, small steps, and maybe I’m just a sucker, thinking it’s on purpose instead of normal post summer draw down.

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09-09-2022 | 01:09 PM

#445

crewdawg

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Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad

You said you were on the 717, my bad.
Even though there are a pittance is 1 and 2 days, it’s 62% 3 days. Like I said, small steps, and maybe I’m just a sucker, thinking it’s on purpose instead of normal post summer draw down.

I'm just saying diversity of trip length should be more evenly distributed. We need 4 to 5 day trips for the commuters who love minimizing commutes. 3-days are a decent middle ground and I'm happy to see a greater percentage of those. However, there should be more 1 and 2 day trips for the non-commuters who prefer the shorter lengths trips.

09-09-2022 | 01:27 PM

#446

TED74

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I think the RCC needs a bucket of credit. I don’t know the right number, but perhaps it’s 5%. Let the optimizer do its thing with the buffers the company says it needs, and with the buffers agreed to through the Fatigue committee. Then implement RCC inputs up to the increased threshold of allowable changes to increase credit and accommodate the inputs each category has collected from its surveys.

09-09-2022 | 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by crewdawg

I agree with this completely. I’m just hoping after the meltdowns and broken trips, that we are starting a move in that direction

09-09-2022 | 05:19 PM

#448

Buck Rogers

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As someone who lived in base(when we had a base) and only being 20 min from house to parking lot...... I preferred 4-5 day trips. There are no right nor wrong answers. The company builds the most economical trips for BES( as I would expect them to do). Anything else(RCC teeth) will have a cost to "our" side.

Rail all you want, but facts are facts.

JMHO

Seems like a bunch of 2Lt's complaining about why they aren't generals because they can fix everything

09-09-2022 | 06:41 PM

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CBreezy

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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers

Except many of us came from places where the union built the trips. We can and absolutely should have more control over trip construction. The FARs are supposed to be a backstop not the rule