A350-1000 and other Fleet News
09-25-2022, 07:33 AM
#31
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Originally Posted by PilotBases
For the right price, the E2-190 could offset regional flying.
09-25-2022, 07:45 AM
#32
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Originally Posted by gloopy
IMO they're not serious about ending the bottom gauge outsourcing paradigm until and unless we place a significant order for smaller planes. 220-100's, Max7's, 190's etc. Our current fixed number of orphaned 717's and the small existing fleet of 220-100's can't come close to doing it. That pattern is already full anyway. Until they order smaller planes, they fully intend to keep the regional outsourcing model alive.
09-25-2022, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotBases
Another idea for long term planning, wonder if we’ve looked at the E2-190? Good 100 seat replacement for the 717, it’s a bit narrower and lighter than the 221 so probably lower block hour costs, and 2 FAs. Would also be a good replacement for the regionals as they shrink. It hasn’t sold tremendously, so we could perhaps get Embraer’s interest with an order. I’ve heard people say we should take over the CRJ-9/E-175 flying, but with no scope limits to content with at mainline, might as well fly a bigger jet within limits.
Past 2030, I think ATL, DTW, and MSP will be largely covered by the 737, the GTF narrow bodies will do all the 3hr+ flights in the other bases. Which would make the MAX, probably the best replacement for the 717 beyond 2028. The other option is to just out right drop those regional destinations.
09-25-2022, 11:20 AM
#34
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
They would have to buy the E195 soon, as after 2028, only the GTF option is available, and you really don’t want to fly a GTF engine under 2 hours. For the same reason, the regionals are absolutely dead after 2028 because there are no new aircraft for them that meet emissions, and comply with scope.
Past 2030, I think ATL, DTW, and MSP will be largely covered by the 737, the GTF narrow bodies will do all the 3hr+ flights in the other bases. Which would make the MAX, probably the best replacement for the 717 beyond 2028. The other option is to just out right drop those regional destinations.
Past 2030, I think ATL, DTW, and MSP will be largely covered by the 737, the GTF narrow bodies will do all the 3hr+ flights in the other bases. Which would make the MAX, probably the best replacement for the 717 beyond 2028. The other option is to just out right drop those regional destinations.
https://leehamnews.com/2021/12/21/p-...nue-in-future/
E2-190 would be a decent jet. Looks like 96 peeps in a 2 class, that’s 2 FAs. If airlines are willing to pay captains on 76 seat jets 200/hr at the top end, thats 252/hr for 96 peeps in the back (a few dollars less than the 110 seat 717 too). Sure other costs are higher, but you also aren’t paying for a CPA or overhead of a wholly owned. I think there’s absolutely a world where the E2-190 makes sense at mainline. Probably costs a bit less per hour than the 221 with a slimmer fuselage as lower MTOW. Embraer might be keen to get a blue chip customer too.
I think it’s unlikely, but who knows in a few years.
09-25-2022, 11:50 AM
#35
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Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad
I’m interested in how the 717 fleet is going back, didn’t we part some completely out never to return?
Full disclosure, I didn’t watch it, yet.
BRING ON MORE WIDE BODIES!
Full disclosure, I didn’t watch it, yet.
BRING ON MORE WIDE BODIES!
09-25-2022, 12:00 PM
#36
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Originally Posted by game
Four 717s got chopped to bits. Guess it’s a lie about coming back to precovid levels on the mini-dog fleet.
09-25-2022, 12:13 PM
#37
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Originally Posted by PilotBases
Was it four? To my knowledge we bought 3 and leased 88. The three are from Blue1, and two are listed on Planespotters as partially scrapped. Wouldn’t think we’d scrap a leased one, unless agreed upon.
Three scrapped. N987DN, N988DN and N989DN
09-25-2022, 12:30 PM
#39
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Originally Posted by game
You’re right, I was wrong about it being four airframes.
Three scrapped. N987DN, N988DN and N989DN
Three scrapped. N987DN, N988DN and N989DN
09-25-2022, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by PilotBases
Embraer have stated that the E-175 is still compatible after 2027.
https://leehamnews.com/2021/12/21/p-...nue-in-future/
I think it’s unlikely, but who knows in a few years.
https://leehamnews.com/2021/12/21/p-...nue-in-future/
I think it’s unlikely, but who knows in a few years.
