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04-21-2023, 07:49 AM

#551

Gone Flying

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Originally Posted by JamesBond

I believe that is true. From what I have heard, Russia falls into the financial bucket.

I thought US airliners were prohibited from using Russian airspace.

04-21-2023, 10:07 AM

#552

Baradium

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Originally Posted by Gone Flying

I thought US airliners were prohibited from using Russian airspace.

They are. We used Russian airspace before that AFAIK

04-21-2023, 10:28 AM

#553

RunFast

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Originally Posted by Baradium

They are. We used Russian airspace before that AFAIK

Yup, SEA-ICN used it quite a bit. Now we go south.

04-21-2023, 11:00 AM

#554

Big E 757

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Originally Posted by RunFast

Yup, SEA-ICN used it quite a bit. Now we go south.

We also used Russian airspace when we flew to Moscow. 🤣

04-21-2023, 11:59 AM

#555

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Originally Posted by Big E 757

We also used Russian airspace when we flew to Moscow. 🤣

Hilarious. Everyone forgets about that. We flew there as late as 2018 didn’t we? I remember a Russian visa was a requirement for NY pilots back then.

04-22-2023, 07:12 AM

#556

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Originally Posted by Tailhookah

B6 is making money most likely on that route, but not much. They could be making a lot more with that jet utilizing it smartly. But they’re doing it because Robin Hayes is a Brit and always said B6 will fly “true” internationally across the pond. It’s bragging rights for him. It’s actually a doomass route with that jet. Let them eat cake. We and anyone flying wide bodies on same route are dusting them…. The cargo will more than pay for costs without a single pax booked. It’s posing by B6. Who cares.

We should care. If those routes are even slightly profitable for them, or even if they are only small money losers, they will continue to dump premium lay flat capacity at a fraction of our prices. Unlike MaxJet or Eos, JB has large domestic feed into BOS and NYC. IMO its a miskate to allow them to continue to grow on their terms.

04-22-2023, 07:17 AM

#557

Planetrain

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While B6 across the Atlantic is interesting, take a look at where the big ASMs are being dropped:
https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/u...w-zealand/amp/

04-22-2023, 08:15 AM

#558

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Originally Posted by Planetrain

While B6 across the Atlantic is interesting, take a look at where the big ASMs are being dropped:
https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/u...w-zealand/amp/

Routes like these are juicy crown jewles to pilots but TransAtlantic premium seats are far more important to the long term health of the company.

04-22-2023, 08:48 AM

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Big E 757

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Originally Posted by Nantonaku

Hilarious. Everyone forgets about that. We flew there as late as 2018 didn’t we? I remember a Russian visa was a requirement for NY pilots back then.

I can’t remember when we stopped flying there, but I made it there once on the ER. At one point, we had daily flights from JFK and ATL back in 2010-2012.

04-22-2023, 09:25 AM

#560

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesBond

I have no idea how we would even get to India at this point. I'd love to see how united does it, because there isn't enough open airspace that would allow it for us.

Huh? United and American fly it regularly:

That's American from JFK.

And here is United from Newark. Air India also flies the route too.

United and American are profit making enterprises too, I would only imagine they are flying the route because it's profitable for them. All that no operation area over Afghanistan and Pakistan are only below FL260. Southern Saudi Arabia is only below 10,000.