Yeah I see that posted on Deltanet. If their proposal is that industry-leading, why are they hiding behind the mediator's lockdown on details? I'm sure the union would be ok with putting the numbers out there.

Plus, it is very ambiguous of them to call their proposal "industry leading", since all the majors are at basically the same rates. A simple 5% DOS would put us on "top" of the industry...

I voted No………just kidding. **** YES!!

Reading between the lines, it seems that retro might be the main sticking point. Sounds like the company didn't offer much of anything there.

if it were such a great proposal they would certainly be willing to ask the mediator to lift the gag order….right?

considering almost no major Airline has had a raise in the past 4 years*, it can be both “industry-leading pilot compensation in terms of pay, profit sharing and retirement“ and woefully inadequate and not even remotely keeping up with inflation.

* JetBlue and Hawaiian are the only US non regional Pax carriers I know of who have had raises since 2020. Alaska obviously might join them soon.

EDIT tennis had the same thoughts.

It's all about messaging. 90% support might enable the following argument: "The majority of the pilot group is bullying the minority into engaging in self-help they do not wish."

98-99% is the usual result of a vote like this.

I didn’t see an FUPM option…. So I voted YES

Is there a way to put a strike vote ‘pop up’ in ARCOS in order to accept your next green slip? Choices for your vote should be:

1. IN FAVOR of a strike

2. REALLY IN FAVOR of a strike

3. Yes, I WILL FAVOR a strike.

You know…..options

I voted yes btw.

Apparently we crashed the Votenet servers.

If you think pilots are PO’d right now, let’s see how everyone feels after October 13th. That’s when they release Q3 results and give an updated outlook for this year and next year.

I fully expect to see mid teens on the operating margin with about $1.5 billion profit. As capacity comes back to pre-pandemic levels, the operating costs will normalize and the margin will increase into the high teens.

I see $8 billion a real possibility in 2023.

JL calling out “disappointing rhetoric”? Oh that’s rich.

“Pot, meet kettle….”

3q will be delta’s highest revenue quarter ever

This is correct as EB gloated about this during the Lcp meeting early in the week.

The money is there to pay us properly.

vote and bring it up with every pilot you fly with.

You need to vote yes. There are months if not years for the company to come around but the vote tally needs to be in and strong. A yes vote does not mean a strike. You are simply giving the union authorization to declare a strike. Before anything else the mediator must release us to self help. After that a 30 day cooling off period at a minimum. Probably a PEB after the cooling off.

PEB!! PEB!!! PEB!!!! Fixed it for ya :D

Seek out DALPA’s Engage podcast and listen to every episode, starting with the most recent.

It’s a lot more than that……


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Sure, but the pilot group isn’t smart enough to know that. Or at least that’s what the company insinuates EACH and EVERY TIME they put ridiculously false and disingenuous information out to the masses.

I honestly can’t believe how many pilots are bending over backwards for an employer that continually bends us over. Have a little self respect, my brothers and sisters!

Just imagine how high it could have been had the operation been properly manned!

[What’s a SIL?]

for me, it’s not about bending over backwards to help anyone except my own pocket. I take them for every dime I can get, for my own selfish purposes

That would be nice but have you been following the economic news lately? The world economy is literally breaking as we speak, the British pension system just got what amounts to a margin call. Did you see the inflation numbers in the Netherlands? China housing loans put the US 2008 ordeal to shame. Russia is literally threatening to use a "tactical" nuclear weapon which is 200 times stronger than the bomb dropped in Hiroshima. The US Federal Reserve is years behind the curve in their tightening. They have straight out said expect pain. I hope I'm wrong but I don't see the economy supporting those kinds of numbers. I'm just hoping we get through the year with small profits and no downsizing. We saw how quickly things can change for the good and bad during Covid. The economy could wreck us this next year.

Not only did I vote yes…

I disconnected my iPad from wifi and used the data plan to do it.

Suck it Ed.

Anecdotes abound in ways that don’t affect the pocket book. Some examples:

- Rushing to make D0 or A0, sacrificing safety and putting one’s own certificate at risk
- Answering phones you’re not paid to answer
- Pushing wheelchairs because Delta can’t figure out how NOT to strand passengers at the jet bridge
- Flying fatigued because they don’t want to disrupt Delta’s passengers
- Solving catering snafus
- Fixing other peoples’ problems on Flight Family

Live in fear. On your knees. Or stand up for yourself, your career and your future. Easy. Don’t live in fear. Be feared. Right now the company fears this strike vote.

The lackluster economy has nothing to do with the strike. My comment was aimed specifically at the 8 billion claim for 2023. I'm not living in fear, I am fully ready to strike and voted appropriately. I'll strike tomorrow, for 4 months or longer. I can go longer than the company. I can pay my house payment working at McDonalds. I don't have car payments. I'm ready. Are you?

This has to be the best f kin post I’ve ever read on this forum.

Indeed and Ed Bastardian can get the memo: Pay your pilots. Let your FAs unionize. Do right by the whistleblowers.

Or winter is coming. Simple Flying is covering this crisis situation breathlessly as if their reporters want to get on MSNBC. The Points Guy is racking up the points to get on CNBC. You get the picture.

Awesome awesomeness!

This was inspiring, and I did the same!!

Logged into work stuff on vacation to vote YES!

I have been following the news very closely. I have a side gig in which I do some consulting regarding geopolitical issues. I’m intimately familiar.

All the items that you mentioned are very real; however success in the global economy is a lot like out running a bear (figuratively?) you don’t have to be faster than the bear, just faster than those around you.

I am no fan of American fiscal policy and I think even our monetary policy is still too accommodative, however it’s much better than Europe and significantly better than China. The strong dollar is just the market reacting to where the safer policies are. That strong dollar will translate to significant opportunities overseas which is very good for a business that moves people.

But I digress, I’m ready to strike and I’m ready and prepared for a long one. I know the company can’t go that long though, anything over two weeks and the C-suite would be gone.

Yes vote entered!


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Awaiting OE, I haven’t looked at company stuff in two weeks, aside from reviewing flows and such in Vol.1 so I don’t look like a moron on leg one.

Coming out of hibernation to vote in favor of a
strike!

Its been almost exactly 24 years since the NWA strike of 98. Ready to go again. Bring it on!

Not a Delta guy, but good on you gents and ladies. Hoping SWAPA copies y’alls cojones.

Good luck!

The dollar is incredibly weak and getting weaker. That's what inflation means.

That its the slowest sinking ship in a sea of sinking ships doesn't make it safe to get on board.

I hope you did it in Costa Rica.

YES, definitely.

This is not the same Delta to which I was hired. Back then I actually believed in the 'Rules of the Road', 'The way we fly' and 'The Code of Ethics'. I even believed that management followed them. Now I wonder if management even knows what those documents say or mean.

I don’t know for sure, but I’m pretty sure I know pilots who either voted no or didn’t vote. Pilots wearing hat and company lanyard. Met a guy today who had been with company just under 3 years. He got defensive and aggressive when I mentioned I thought he was on probation. Guess I’m not first person to confront him.

Long time lurker.... but absolutely yes voted. As are the other non APC pilots that I know

You’d think someone who went through UNA would be a bit more ready to go.

I think you should cut your loss now and just quit!! If Delta can't support their business costs, then let them file for BK again. Many of us have been through this rodeo before and it doesn't make one **** difference if the economic climate isn't good or is the greatest ever... stop the fear mongering!!!