I would recommend all the engage podcast episodes. Lots of good info.

True enough. The in favor vote was around 97% if I recall correctly.

C2K was signed just in time for 9/11, SARS, Iraq, Michelle Burns selling DLs fuel hedges for 80 million that cost the company over 2 billion, mgmt bailing with their SERP money, Katrina, and bankruptcy. It WAS a great contract but alas was flushed down the **********r post haste.

Hope springs eternal. Easy yes.

Yes vote for me. I don’t know anyone who’s not a yes vote. I’ve gotten three inverse assignment calls this weekend. The first I can remember getting this year. I have pulled my blanket green slip out and from the calls I assume alot of others have as well.

I just got another IA call as I wrote this. Good job guys!

Everyone I know has stopped as well. Most everyone has a huge strike fund setup and are just generally fatigued from work. 15+ days a month out of a suitcase is my max. 22+, what is the point..

The Engage podcast made a "yes" vote easy.

Those things take time, care and effort to produce. Very professional, establish a sense of trust.

(Honestly, the stock buybacks alone were enough though)

Excellent recap of a really crappy time. For anyone who is interested in a deeper dive into some of the management shenanigans during BK - this book is a must, and a fairly easy read. The author actually describes some of the then managements actions as worse for Delta than 9-11 which is a pretty powerful statement.

Scoop

Airline without a Pilot

Logged on for the first time in a few years to say I also helped crash the servers in my rush to vote “in favor” immediately after I got the email.

Also, just want to pass word of caution, as rhetoric gets more heated around this subject, and in light of the fact that I read in either this or the “pay offer” thread about whether or not the company reads this board or cares: they do. Someone on this site doxxed me to management/CPO years ago, which is why I’ll be logging out again.

On alpa website? How do I know which one? I will look for on overnight tonight. Thanks

search any podcast app for “delta engage”

There is no cause for alarm.
 

Despite what you may have read in the news, there is no cause for alarm. Your Delta pilots are not on strike, there is almost no chance of labor action ruining your travel plans this holiday season.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVWCEKDDI-E

to respond to this though, I did hear on NPR (some people still listen to it!) about how “delta pilots are beyond 1000 days since the amenable date and are currently voting on a strike authorization.” It’s nice to hear attention being brought to the general public, especially in light of the recent railway strikes.

Unfortunately, no. Eligible voters are based on the ALPA screenshot and will not be adjusted before the 30 day window ends. See email that was sent out. The numbers will be skewed as a result.

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So with November on the horizon, can we up the ante to “Jacket Off To a New Contract”?

Did you watch the video?

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​​​​​​Have you read this aloud?

Old school, made my morning…thanks

I'll jacket off to a new contract in the Denver airport Westin any day! :D

Pure gold. Finally a movement we all can get behind.

Yeesh. Tough crowd.

Lol…jackets off; love it. BOS walk around gonna be brisk.

How do you think they will be skewed? The vote (which should be >95% FOR) will be skewed by 50-100 new hire votes? The percentage of eligible voters casting a ballot is important and the % voting to strike is important....an insignificant % that aren't eligible to vote is meaningless and won't skew anything.

JMHO

The strike authorization ballot email mentioned nearly 15,000 pilots sending a message to the company through this vote. Easily 1,000 plus pilots are currently on probation, including whichever pilots are inelegible to vote for being on leave, not good standing, etc... I think what he's trying to say is that someone could try to twist this into a "poor voter turnout" narrative to those ignorant of why these pilots can't actually vote.

Hopefully the next picket event will be a jacket off event. Err…maybe not?

I hear what you are saying but I don't think it works that way. The results will be based on eligible voters....not total pilots. Consequently, I don't think it makes one whit's difference.

LOL.

ISWYD there.

White sneakers would send a better message, AND be more comfortable.

I wouldn’t be surprised if there wasn’t some trouble about this! Hilarious 😂

Delta management had NO intention of honoring C2K. Leo Mullin a former McKinsey consultant hired the same bankruptcy pros US Air and United used prior to C2k negotiations wrapping up and made numerous funded commitments that directly conflicted with provisions of C2K before the contract even went out for ratification. This included the largest jet order in the history of mankind for the benefit wholly owned Delta divisions; ASA and Comair. I published all the ways that C2K scope was set to fail within 6 months of the ratification of the agreement. I was wrong. Delta management violated the contract within 5 months. I failed to account for aircraft spares.

Back when I published the Delta MEC got angry at me for pointing out C2K was destined to fail before it was even ratified. The really sad part is that I am convinced that people on both sides of the table knew what was coming and scope failures and the loss of Delta pilot jobs was perceived to be leverage.

A unified scope agreement would have been much better for everyone involved; resulting in not only the preservation of jobs, but also billions more in Delta pilots' earnings. Further, I don't see how pay rate arbitrage netted Delta anywhere near the 30 to 40 billion they spent setting up and killing off regional carriers over the years.

Contract 2000 ran from Jun of 2021 to Dec of 2004 if that’s considered post haste. Almost 3.5 years until LOA 46 ended it. There was retro back to Jun of 2000.

The company was in violation 5 months in. The contract was unenforceable and not enforced.

If you built a ship. That ship began sinking 5 months in with the loss of 1,200 customers, would it make any sense to take credit for the good deal some got on life rafts? ... It failed. It was not enforced. The resolution was billions in concessions. It was a failure.

The principal cause of that failure was a lack of unity; allowing Delta to run airlines within airlines where the company could shift flying and destroy parts of the company while keeping customer-facing flight operations mostly intact.

Back to the topic of this thread; everyone I know is casting a strike vote with extreme prejudice. We actually want to walk. The motivation isn't necessarily the Section 6 process, it is global scope. Similar to C2K the MEC is resolving a scope failure a re-write to get the company into compliance. Sure, pay rates are an issue, but some of us are so angry about continued and continuing bad faith in scope that we really can not see ourselves voting yes for anything.

This political reality is a problem for all involved. Lorenzo left the airline business after continued evidence of his bad faith made it impossible for him to get any deal done with labor.

100% right on. I have malice, I am pi$$ed. I am sick of the lack of integrity and honesty with “management”, tired of the platitudes, “disappointing rhetoric”. This, especially after having read the recent Dept of Labor finding that Delta so begrudgingly sent out. Talk about a damning document….unbelievable.
I’ve been around for over 20 years, even more in the industry. My attitude right now is the culmination of mistreatment, threats, numerous furloughs, low pay, poor working conditions from those many years. We are in the driver’s seat now (pun intended) and I plan on taking full advantage.
No mercy.
This may seem excessive and I don’t want to cut my nose off to spite my face but…..I’m Angry, especially after the airline’s behavior these last few years.

Thanks for the time you’ve put in and for paving the way for many of us who followed more recently.

Normally airlines don't talk to the media when asked for a comment while the pilots unions podcast away as they should. Just my .02 from the peanut gallery.

Great post. Agree 100%. Ed’s digging a big hole right now. I fly with very senior guys who’ve never voted no and they’re admittedly ****ed and no longer company men for the first time in their careers. They are all voting yes to strike. Bring it on.

Thanks in advance for posting a “Published” piece of what the Delta MEC got mad at you about. Interesting reading I’m sure.

We can walk around in circles with our jackets off.

“Jacket Off Until I Get Paid”

No thanks. I'll wear mine when it is cold outside.

Just wear a North Face.

I’ve seen LCA doing it, and if it’s good enough for them, it’s good enough for me.