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Bucking Bar 11-01-2022 07:14 AM
Originally Posted by three1five (Post 3524351)
FWIW This is in Endeavor’s contract, but zero Endeavor pilots are booked for deadheads in first class because of the “subject to pass policy” clause. DL’s pass policy prohibits it. So even though it’s in EDV’s contract, due the DL policy EDV pilots are never booked to DH in first class. On a MSP-ATL DH, the average EDV pilot is in seat 34B, just like a DL pilot.

If anyone is saying EDV pilots DH in first class, that is inaccurate.
It's OK, after we merge we will use their contract as the starting point for ours :-)

three1five 11-01-2022 07:49 AM
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 3524363)
It's OK, after we merge we will use their contract as the starting point for ours :-)
Should do. Be sure to include 9E’s profit sharing language ;)

DELTAFO 11-01-2022 08:04 AM
Originally Posted by three1five (Post 3524351)
FWIW This is in Endeavor’s contract, but zero Endeavor pilots are booked for deadheads in first class because of the “subject to pass policy” clause. DL’s pass policy prohibits it. So even though it’s in EDV’s contract, due the DL policy EDV pilots are never booked to DH in first class. On a MSP-ATL DH, the average EDV pilot is in seat 34B, just like a DL pilot.

If anyone is saying EDV pilots DH in first class, that is inaccurate.
Delta doesn't even have that clause in the PWA which makes Endeavor's deadhead section better than Delta's

bronco21016 11-01-2022 09:25 AM
Originally Posted by three1five (Post 3524351)
FWIW This is in Endeavor’s contract, but zero Endeavor pilots are booked for deadheads in first class because of the “subject to pass policy” clause. DL’s pass policy prohibits it. So even though it’s in EDV’s contract, due the DL policy EDV pilots are never booked to DH in first class. On a MSP-ATL DH, the average EDV pilot is in seat 34B, just like a DL pilot.

If anyone is saying EDV pilots DH in first class, that is inaccurate.
Since when is MSP-ATL greater than 3.5 hours?

Endeavor pilots rarely get first or business because of two things. 1) how often do you have deadheads > 3.5 hours? 2) when you do, how many pilots even realize they should be bumped up?

When the company was sending pilots to Belgium for CRJ900 training many, many pilots rode first or business. I distinctly remember the company trying to wiggle out of it.

three1five 11-01-2022 10:03 AM
Originally Posted by bronco21016 (Post 3524506)
Since when is MSP-ATL greater than 3.5 hours?

Endeavor pilots rarely get first or business because of two things. 1) how often do you have deadheads > 3.5 hours? 2) when you do, how many pilots even realize they should be bumped up?

When the company was sending pilots to Belgium for CRJ900 training many, many pilots rode first or business. I distinctly remember the company trying to wiggle out of it.
MSP-ATL was a bad example, it was the most recent painful memory. Did plenty of LGA-OMA, LGA-DSM, and some ATL-LAS DHs while on reserve and was always told DL’s policy against booking pilots in FC negated that portion of 9E’s contract. When 9E sends a 200 to the desert and DHs the pilots back to ATL or NYC, nobody’s booked in FC. Didn’t do any overseas training so can’t comment there, that was also during what is now an outdated contract but not sure if the language changed.

Apologies for the thread takeover. Back to the strike vote

bigdaddie 11-01-2022 10:15 AM
Originally Posted by three1five (Post 3524351)
FWIW This is in Endeavor’s contract, but zero Endeavor pilots are booked for deadheads in first class because of the “subject to pass policy” clause. DL’s pass policy prohibits it. So even though it’s in EDV’s contract, due the DL policy EDV pilots are never booked to DH in first class. On a MSP-ATL DH, the average EDV pilot is in seat 34B, just like a DL pilot.

If anyone is saying EDV pilots DH in first class, that is inaccurate.
Does EDV book EDV pilots in FC on EDV flights? It's probably like our crew meal policy, it only applies to a small portion of domestic flights.

three1five 11-01-2022 10:20 AM
Originally Posted by bigdaddie (Post 3524554)
Does EDV book EDV pilots in FC on EDV flights? It's probably like our crew meal policy, it only applies to a small portion of domestic flights.
Negative. This is from personal experience on routes like LGA-OMA and JFK-DFW. Given, to your point, 98% of EDV flying is on shorter routes and many of these longer routes have moved to the 220.

Saturn1763 11-01-2022 10:50 AM
Looks like it’s on FoxNews online now…

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/delta-pilots-vote-overwhelmingly-authorize-strike

Good job to JA et al for pushing this out there. Hope it pushes the company in the right direction!

interceptorpilo 11-02-2022 08:26 AM
Originally Posted by three1five (Post 3524351)
FWIW This is in Endeavor’s contract, but zero Endeavor pilots are booked for deadheads in first class because of the “subject to pass policy” clause. DL’s pass policy prohibits it. So even though it’s in EDV’s contract, due the DL policy EDV pilots are never booked to DH in first class. On a MSP-ATL DH, the average EDV pilot is in seat 34B, just like a DL pilot.

If anyone is saying EDV pilots DH in first class, that is inaccurate.
My first hand experience: EVERY flight I have deadheaded where Endeavor pilots were also deadheading had them in better seats than us. Usually both Endeavor pilots in Comfort Plus aisle or window and we were in main cabin. So there is something better about their deadheading policy at least in practice.

Agent Hickey 11-02-2022 08:34 AM
Originally Posted by Buck Rogers (Post 3523570)
It couldn't possibly be the forty years that have transpired since your story occurred don't ya think? No changes would have happened if not for those two events( to save Delta pilots from themselves) in those ensuing years? Stereotype much?
Awe Buck. I apologize. I didn’t mean to upset anyone. It’s not like I was telling about my experiences in the ‘Speed Line’ … the old cafeteria underneath the delta concourse.

Love and Peace.


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