Yes. Some of each is unavoidable; the remainder depends upon the individual’s ethics and commitment to the job.

Outsider here. I remember you saying the same thing in what, 2015 I think it was? How’d that work out for you? Let me guess. It’s different this time? Good thing tougher (& smarter) heads prevailed then, and now.

Historically sailing is 100% correct. What I think many of us on here believ he is failing to grasp, is the fact the game has changed. We are in demand and have leverage. We don’t need a quick tactical strike before they change their mind. We can go for the strategic strike and get some gains this industry has needed for years that were given up for the tactical attacks. Enough metaphors.

The company must think we are stupid. This is a snapshot from the last contract comparison (August 2018). Not sure if anyone has improved from these numbers but probably those who have newer contracts did.

Total vacation value (Days X hours per day)
FDX- 216
UPS- 175
Southwest- 160.6
Alaska- 143.5
Jet Blue- 140
UAL- 136.5
Delta- 126 (current)
Hawaiian- 114
American -113.7

So yeah we are pretty much lagging the industry. UAL by the way gets 6 weeks.

Scoop

the real question is, though... Has alpa changed with the changing times. Methinks not. I expect nothing different in their tactics

When half of the airline was hired in the last 6-9 years, it’s pretty easy to add another vacation year to the 25+ year longevity table. That is too little, too late.

I’d like another week at all longevities, thankyouverymuch. They might still be funding less total vacation across the list than they did in 2013, when accounting for the mass exodus of long service pilots off the top. Same goes for sick leave efficiencies they have gained of late.

Agree. I still read or hear comparing ourselves to other airlines and the paradigm is out of date as of the current. For starters we've never fully recovered from BK rates.
In the past 20 years there have been so many new jobs created. For example lets look at energy. In two decades Solar, Wind, and Electric vehicles have exploded. Think of what it take to design, produce, sell, market, and logistics with people power to make it all happen. Many great paying jobs have been created paying easily six figures and up.
There are so many great paying jobs for young adults to pursue and and pay very well and home every night.
So the question is, why are we in a shortage of pilots? Think we all know the short answer. It don't pay enough to get into it. In an industry that has proven volatile in terms of employment and many hours away from home.
It's time the whole industry ups the wages across the board. Based off of our 2000 contract I would guess a 737 captain should be pretty close to $430.00 an hour, and raises like 12/5/5 don't get us there.

He wasn’t correct in 2015, so 100% is a strong order. I’m not trying to attack but if we would have accepted TA1, it would have been a cataclysmic fail not only for us but the entire industry.

As you said times have changed, so the philosophy of “constructive collaboration” with the company is no longer relevant. It works when the company is in trouble(2004) but not when they are minting cash(2015).

One can argue the time value of money but 95% of us know better than that, thankfully.

I agree with all. My comment meant to start at TA1.

With that I agree…one thing Sailing is always spot on with is the profit sharing percentage.