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Airfix 11-04-2022 11:47 AM


Originally Posted by bode (Post 3526476)
It’s a good thing? I’ve already had more GS call outs this month than all of last month combined. WX hasn’t really been a factor. My guess if UTC/sick calls are on the rise.

Honestly I’m not a one issue voter but I’m merely pointing out the fact a ton of people are ok with one but not the other.

The fact you are comparing your ability to non-rev to my ability to get to work is ridiculous. If you just happened to be booked for my second flight and get bumped because of my call in honest, you would be frustrated. Now imagine my seat is already booked, PS, now you have a more accurate representation of where you sit in line to get a seat. Tell me how I’m short sighted again?


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Her look I get it. You want to get to work. I've commutted for 5 of my 15 airline years and i might commute again so I understand. I only missed 1 commute in those 5 years. Having said that non-revenue benefits used to be quite a big part of why flying at an airline was so attractive opposed to fedex or corporate.

Over the years that benefit has slowly been eroded to the point it has become really difficult to plan vacations. The positive space commuting policy just erodes that further.

And again if the call in honest policy works and you'll get to work anyway why change it?

DeltaboundRedux 11-04-2022 11:55 AM

28 Sections to the contract plus plenty of side LOA's as yet to be closed out and released to the pilot group for a vote, right?

Determining a vote based solely on PSC seems slightly premature.

bode 11-04-2022 11:58 AM


Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux (Post 3526488)
28 Sections to the contract plus plenty of side LOA's as yet to be closed out and released to the pilot group for a vote, right?

Determining a vote based solely on PSC seems slightly premature.


It’s also good relative to say full retro or no, I don’t see that getting flamed. [emoji2375] or having a min percentage pay raise. Same.


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sailingfun 11-04-2022 12:00 PM


Originally Posted by Airfix (Post 3526477)
If it works just fine as it is right now why do we need to change it? It makes no difference according to you. Those commuters will get there anyway and I'll get bumped.

I hope you reread your post and feel ashamed of your tone.

I enjoyed positive space commuting but I do have to say non reving has been better already and I got first class for the first time in ages. PS seats should have been last in line to upgrade instead of at the top.

bode 11-04-2022 12:09 PM


Originally Posted by Airfix (Post 3526483)
Her look I get it. You want to get to work. I've commutted for 5 of my 15 airline years and i might commute again so I understand. I only missed 1 commute in those 5 years. Having said that non-revenue benefits used to be quite a big part of why flying at an airline was so attractive opposed to fedex or corporate.

Over the years that benefit has slowly been eroded to the point it has become really difficult to plan vacations. The positive space commuting policy just erodes that further.

And again if the call in honest policy works and you'll get to work anyway why change it?


Hey look I get it as well. You want to travel the world on the companies dime. I remember sitting first class all the time, I prior to all the upgrade programs. Or having a row with only me in it.

If you really want to plan vacations just buy a ticket. I mean really, you probably are in the top 5% of income in the country and you are depending on open seats to vacation?

Why? We don’t fly the same number of trips from where I commute from? Pre-COVID there was 8 from one airport and 10 from another, both within an hour of my house. Now I have 4 and 6. That’s why change it. Now for a 1 PM departure I could actually sleep in later and drive 4.5 hours then follow the UTC policy. Because of the 2 flight policy I’m trying to make a 5 am followed by a 6. Pre COVID that wasn’t an issue. It was a 9 and 11. Big difference.

Add in the reliability fact of knowing your pilots have a seat should mean less need for SC or last minute GS calls. Once again a benefit to you going on vacation, there was a 745 or so call out for a 755 report. If that’s your trip I bet your not liking the odds of it departing anytime soon. Oh so they cancel the flight. Hmmm now all the paying passengers are bumped to the next flight and you are out of luck all together.


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Gone Flying 11-04-2022 12:21 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3526494)
I enjoyed positive space commuting but I do have to say non reving has been better already and I got first class for the first time in ages. PS seats should have been last in line to upgrade instead of at the top.

If PS comes back, upgrade to FC should be same priority as non revs, but not behind them. (if that is what you are saying)

UA automatically gets FC deadhead to/from training, hopefully we can work that into our next contract as well.

TegridyFarms 11-04-2022 12:31 PM


Originally Posted by bode (Post 3526443)
In light of all the people completely ecstatic we have lost the PSC I have decided to vote down any contract which provides improvements to our medical coverage and does not contain PSC. Reason being I utilized the PSC commute but do not utilize Delta’s medical. I know I’m not the only one who doesn’t use the Delta medical.

Now I know this is going to draw a lot of hate, but I want it to be stated, it’s as ridiculous as people saying the end of the LOA was a good thing.

Opinions? Am I wrong? Seems to make sense to me…


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Gotta be the dumbest post on this sub forum this week. And all of you are sitting here feeding this troll. Get bent.

bode 11-04-2022 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by TegridyFarms (Post 3526513)
Gotta be the dumbest post on this sub forum this week. And all of you are sitting here feeding this troll. Get bent.


Is it? Or is it honesty that you don’t like? I have a preference and one vote. So do you. Just like tons of people have posted they are not ok with ALPA putting energy into something that will never help them. That’s how I feel on this, what’s wrong with that?


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MJP27 11-04-2022 12:48 PM


Originally Posted by Airfix (Post 3526461)
Positive space communing going away is a good thing. It subverts seniority for us when we are heading out on vacation. Travel benefits are really important to many people and positive space commuting makes it harder to plan (due to last minute bookings) and offers junior people seats that our seniority should have held.

I don't care what you vote for. We all have our priorities but it seems rather short sighted of you to be a one issue voter.

Seniority is sacred and should be upheld and respected at every opportunity.

Not that any of this will change your mind.

Good grief.

iaflyer 11-04-2022 01:18 PM

What's funny is that you still have PSC, it's just in a slightly different form. Would you be happy if they kept PSC but added the requirement for a backup flight?

Because that's what we've had for a while.


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