Originally Posted by Crown (Post 3536450)

I've got the pass rate at 62-38. Already talking to a lot of pilots who are no voters no matter what we get. C16's leadership will ensure most of that base will vote no.

Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 3536120)

Exactly. The NC on both sides are given guardrails. Only GH or Ed and the MEC have the authority to negotiate outside of those parameters. I guarantee you their negotiating committee doesn't get the authority to give us anywhere near our ask. The MEC needs to be there to give our negotiating committee authority as well. It helps when all the players are in the same hotel and can easily get ahold of their boss versus wait for them to answer an email..

Originally Posted by Crown (Post 3536450)

I've got the pass rate at 62-38. Already talking to a lot of pilots who are no voters no matter what we get. C16's leadership will ensure most of that base will vote no.

Originally Posted by Crown (Post 3536450)

I've got the pass rate at 62-38. Already talking to a lot of pilots who are no voters no matter what we get. C16's leadership will ensure most of that base will vote no.

Originally Posted by Mooner (Post 3536439)

I agree. On balance, it will be a solid gain for Delta pilots.

I’ll stick with my prediction of a “Christmas surprise” articulated in another thread. I will also stick with my belief we will see 100% retro back to Jan 1 2022, no retro for 2020 and 2021. I expect pay raise effective Jan 1 2023 will handily beat inflation for 2023, sufficient to back fill inflation for both 2021 and 2020. Out-year raises for 2024,25 will marginally exceed the 3 year rolling average inflation rate (currently 4.6%). Result: a 5 year period with a positive real rate increase of approximately 1% annually.

Most here will hate it and call for immediate demolition of the MEC and the airline.

The TA will pass 72-28.

**Disclosure**

Of course I’m a company planted trial balloon pilot. As an insider, I will absolutely confirm that this board accurately represents the opinions of the average pilot and management. It is a critical tool to formulate management’s table position.

Originally Posted by TegridyFarms (Post 3536049)

If that happened and they started at 10AM—there’d be a contract by dinner.

Originally Posted by Gunfighter (Post 3536504)

Two years without retro is a big enough concession that 51%+ will vote no. I don't think the NC would even bring that to the membership. At this point even the company understands retro is a binary item for a majority. 99% yes vote on the strike sent a message.

Originally Posted by Gunfighter (Post 3536504)

Two years without retro is a big enough concession that 51%+ will vote no. I don't think the NC would even bring that to the membership. At this point even the company understands retro is a binary item for a majority. 99% yes vote on the strike sent a message.

Originally Posted by Banzai (Post 3536513)

Where the RLA works most aggressively against us is where the company can drag feet for long enough that “retro” becomes such a prohibitive cost item that it moves beyond the “zone of reasonableness”. Never mind how it got there, but if the company were to drag this along for, say, three more years, they could then make the claim that six years of retro is simply too much of a financial burden…unless, of course, the pilots are willing to give up a lot of things to get it.

In this, the RLA gives all the power to the company. We have zero power to secure timely contracts. We may insist on full retro, but the company merely has to drag it out long enough to place it beyond reach.