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GeneralLee 11-23-2022 01:18 PM


Originally Posted by Slick111 (Post 3536692)
Yes. That’s the problem. The RLA is overseen and administered by U.S. Department of Labor,…..by and through federal mediators,….. who answer to the U.S. Secretary of Labor,……. who was formerly the mayor of Boston and a Massachusetts state representative and who likely has future political ambitions AND the need for political campaign funding.

While I hate the idea of unions funneling money to politicians, (especially those with a “D” after their names), it might be smart for DAPLA to test the waters and see if the Honorable Marty Walsh, U.S. Secretary of Labor, is in the mood to accept campaign funds from the unionized pilots of Delta Airlines and repay the favor by leaning on his federal mediator(s).

Just a thought.


You have probably seen the news…the “ labor supporting “ dems won’t even let the railroads strike. It’s rigged and no amount of money is going to fix that.

20Fathoms 11-23-2022 01:58 PM

All this chatter about an AIP next week but…… WTH happened to the scope AIP? I though one of the main selling points was that we vote on it separate from a general TA so we don’t have the whole “scope sold for pay rates” discussion. If we get an AIP next week do we still vote separately?

PilotJ3 11-23-2022 02:59 PM


Originally Posted by 20Fathoms (Post 3536706)
All this chatter about an AIP next week but…… WTH happened to the scope AIP? I though one of the main selling points was that we vote on it separate from a general TA so we don’t have the whole “scope sold for pay rates” discussion. If we get an AIP next week do we still vote separately?

There better be…

We need to vote on the Scope TA before the contract.

Because if we lock the contract and don’t like the Scope TA and vote No for that, we are stuck with whatever “gains” we negotiated apart from the Scope TA.

JamesBond 11-23-2022 03:29 PM


Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 3536733)
There better be…

We need to vote on the Scope TA before the contract.

Because if we lock the contract and don’t like the Scope TA and vote No for that, we are stuck with whatever “gains” we negotiated apart from the Scope TA.

Pretty sure that ship sailed a long time ago.

CBreezy 11-23-2022 04:14 PM


Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 3536733)
There better be…

We need to vote on the Scope TA before the contract.

Because if we lock the contract and don’t like the Scope TA and vote No for that, we are stuck with whatever “gains” we negotiated apart from the Scope TA.

Wasn't the most recent outcry no side letters until we get a contract? So what is it?

Mooner 11-23-2022 04:43 PM


Originally Posted by GeneralLee (Post 3536691)
Mooner always shows up around contract time. We have all the leverage folks….

That shouldn’t surprise anyone. I’m a company plant. They’re paying me to to sway the weak minded here.

Besides, these forums are dreadfully boring any other time.

igotgummed 11-23-2022 05:47 PM

All this talk about retro will make the company not drag their feet on a deal.

ummm…..

We got retro for TA2……and it didn’t stop delta from immediately filing for mediation and dragging this deal out.

crazyjaydawg 11-23-2022 07:13 PM


Originally Posted by 20Fathoms (Post 3536706)
All this chatter about an AIP next week but…… WTH happened to the scope AIP? I though one of the main selling points was that we vote on it separate from a general TA so we don’t have the whole “scope sold for pay rates” discussion. If we get an AIP next week do we still vote separately?


With the speed of the scope AIP, IF (huge IF) a PWA AIP is reached by EOY, we probably won’t vote on a TA until Memorial Day!

RunFast 11-23-2022 08:07 PM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3536617)
Two words. Escalator clause. If the environment was ever right, it’s now. Que the TVM and retro arguments. Fix this now and retro and company foot dragging becomes moo. This needs to be done or we are doomed to continue the cycle.

Educate me, what is an escalator clause?

Softheborder 11-23-2022 08:41 PM


Originally Posted by 20Fathoms (Post 3536706)
All this chatter about an AIP next week but…… WTH happened to the scope AIP? I though one of the main selling points was that we vote on it separate from a general TA so we don’t have the whole “scope sold for pay rates” discussion. If we get an AIP next week do we still vote separately?

Oh I’m guessing they’re going to try to cover up the stink of the Scope TA by combining it with the TA & some impressive Rates…and we’ll sell out again…just today LATAM Announced MCO-GRU which pre-Covid was on Delta metal, LAX-GRU also and should have been on Delta metal now Latam.


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