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notEnuf 11-23-2022 09:51 AM
Originally Posted by Banzai (Post 3536513)
Where the RLA works most aggressively against us is where the company can drag feet for long enough that “retro” becomes such a prohibitive cost item that it moves beyond the “zone of reasonableness”. Never mind how it got there, but if the company were to drag this along for, say, three more years, they could then make the claim that six years of retro is simply too much of a financial burden…unless, of course, the pilots are willing to give up a lot of things to get it.

In this, the RLA gives all the power to the company. We have zero power to secure timely contracts. We may insist on full retro, but the company merely has to drag it out long enough to place it beyond reach.
Two words. Escalator clause. If the environment was ever right, it’s now. Que the TVM and retro arguments. Fix this now and retro and company foot dragging becomes moo. This needs to be done or we are doomed to continue the cycle.

FangsF15 11-23-2022 10:16 AM
Originally Posted by Bottlen0se (Post 3536611)
Mud throwers gonna throw mud
You talking to me?? Or to Mooner?

HeH8Me 11-23-2022 10:26 AM
Originally Posted by Mooner (Post 3536606)
Well we shall see soon enough who is on an island. I’ve heard this much from people who actually occupy such islands. Just saying.
JL? You back??? I thought you left weeks ago?

Vsop 11-23-2022 10:47 AM
Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3536617)
Two words. Escalator clause. If the environment was ever right, it’s now. Que the TVM and retro arguments. Fix this now and retro and company foot dragging becomes moo. This needs to be done or we are doomed to continue the cycle.
This should be a target and would be a huge win for the industry.

Boatbuilder 11-23-2022 11:42 AM
Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 3536240)
All the pieces are in place. I am optimistic we will have an AIP soon.

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I’m quite confident there will be an AIP by EOY. Whether or not it’s good enough to make it by the MEC to become a TA is another matter entirely. I hope it does but…

JamesBond 11-23-2022 11:49 AM
Originally Posted by Nantonaku (Post 3536584)
The company still gets a free ride for all those years they dragged their feet on all the supposed gains we have coming in scheduling, vacation and other QOL items.
They always do. Nothing new here. That's why we need automatic pay increases as of the amendable date and an immediate mediation in the event the amendable date is approached without solutions. That soft money can also be quantified in a sense. So those automatic pay increases should take that into account, and should be punitive.

JamesBond 11-23-2022 11:50 AM
Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3536617)
Two words. Escalator clause. If the environment was ever right, it’s now. Que the TVM and retro arguments. Fix this now and retro and company foot dragging becomes moo. This needs to be done or we are doomed to continue the cycle.
egggggggsactly

Big E 757 11-23-2022 12:25 PM
Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 3536554)
I disagree. Those that retired or died need to be paid for work they did.
Im with you. Retro is a very important part of this negotiation. It needs to be high enough as to tell management that they’re still going to pay us eventually, no matter how long they drag their feet in negotiations, and that they aren’t saving any money in the long run. We’ve had guys retiring for 3 years while this has been going on, some aren’t due much, but more than half of the retirees are due a substantial sum of money and I’ll vote to see that they get it. The only thing I’ll accept in leu of full and substantial retro is CPI calculated pay raises that increase in perpetuity after the amendable date so we never find ourselves three years past the amendable date with pay rates that were negotiated 7 years earlier.

GeneralLee 11-23-2022 01:13 PM
Originally Posted by TegridyFarms (Post 3536569)
Oh look. The same dumb conversation is being floated. With people saying it will pass 62-38 without 2 years of retro. My God.

Mooner always shows up around contract time. We have all the leverage folks….

Slick111 11-23-2022 01:15 PM
Originally Posted by Banzai (Post 3536513)
Where the RLA works most aggressively against us is where the company can drag feet for long enough that,…….

Yes. That’s the problem. The RLA is overseen and administered by U.S. Department of Labor,…..by and through federal mediators,….. who answer to the U.S. Secretary of Labor,……. who was formerly the mayor of Boston and a Massachusetts state representative and who likely has future political ambitions AND the need for political campaign funding.

While I hate the idea of unions funneling money to politicians, (especially those with a “D” after their names), it might be smart for DAPLA to test the waters and see if the Honorable Marty Walsh, U.S. Secretary of Labor, is in the mood to accept campaign funds from the unionized pilots of Delta Airlines and repay the favor by leaning on his federal mediator(s).

Just a thought.


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