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11-23-2022, 09:30 PM
#421
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Originally Posted by RunFast
Educate me, what is an escalator clause?
it would drastically limit the leverage the company has and their ability to drag out negotiations.
11-23-2022, 10:14 PM
#422
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
Two words. Escalator clause. If the environment was ever right, it’s now. Que the TVM and retro arguments. Fix this now and retro and company foot dragging becomes moo. This needs to be done or we are doomed to continue the cycle.
Two signatures at the bottom of every TA, and neither side is surrendering.
11-23-2022, 10:16 PM
#423
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Originally Posted by PilotJ3
There better be…
We need to vote on the Scope TA before the contract.
Because if we lock the contract and don’t like the Scope TA and vote No for that, we are stuck with whatever “gains” we negotiated apart from the Scope TA.
We need to vote on the Scope TA before the contract.
Because if we lock the contract and don’t like the Scope TA and vote No for that, we are stuck with whatever “gains” we negotiated apart from the Scope TA.
11-24-2022, 01:37 AM
#424
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Originally Posted by Starcheck102
This would work if the numbers were right. What I don’t see is how the company could be compelled to agree to the sort of numbers that anyone would accept.
Two signatures at the bottom of every TA, and neither side is surrendering.
Two signatures at the bottom of every TA, and neither side is surrendering.
11-24-2022, 04:20 AM
#426
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Originally Posted by Big E 757
I asked a Union guy YEARS ago why we didn’t ask for something like this. His response was that the company would never agree to something like this because we would never be motivated to negotiate when our contract was up. In other words, management would lose the power of the RLA. I doubt we’ve even tried. Now that we are negotiating under a mediator, maybe they’ll ask, but I doubt it.
11-24-2022, 04:56 AM
#427
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Originally Posted by Big E 757
I asked a Union guy YEARS ago why we didn’t ask for something like this. His response was that the company would never agree to something like this because we would never be motivated to negotiate when our contract was up. In other words, management would lose the power of the RLA. I doubt we’ve even tried. Now that we are negotiating under a mediator, maybe they’ll ask, but I doubt it.
11-24-2022, 05:06 AM
#428
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Originally Posted by Vsop
That’s funny. I asked a union guy years ago too at a different company. I got the exact same answer. It makes me wonder if it’s ever been asked for. I think it’s achievable if we make it a priority.
Maybe we could negotiate annual 4% raises for the next 20 years in exchange for no big pay bump up front and no retro. But how many of our pilots are 55+ and would scoff at that idea? And who’s doing the negotiating for legacy pilots? Is it junior guys with quality of life on their mind or is it senior guys with money on their mind? We all know the answer.
11-24-2022, 06:47 AM
#429
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
This industry is cyclical. Why would any management team negotiate downward wage pressure during a downturn?
Maybe we could negotiate annual 4% raises for the next 20 years in exchange for no big pay bump up front and no retro. But how many of our pilots are 55+ and would scoff at that idea? And who’s doing the negotiating for legacy pilots? Is it junior guys with quality of life on their mind or is it senior guys with money on their mind? We all know the answer.
Maybe we could negotiate annual 4% raises for the next 20 years in exchange for no big pay bump up front and no retro. But how many of our pilots are 55+ and would scoff at that idea? And who’s doing the negotiating for legacy pilots? Is it junior guys with quality of life on their mind or is it senior guys with money on their mind? We all know the answer.
11-24-2022, 06:49 AM
#430
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Originally Posted by RunFast
Educate me, what is an escalator clause?
