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tunes 11-17-2022 08:37 AM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 3533246)
18/5/5/5 will pass with increased vacation, full retro, a few other nuggets here and there and no concessions IMO

I wouldnt be so sure of that.

Scooter432 11-17-2022 09:07 AM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 3533390)
Our union asked us not to partake in trial balloons and hamstring the NC, yet here we are.

glad I’m not the only one saying this. We need this thread closed.

TegridyFarms 11-17-2022 09:16 AM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 3533390)
Our union asked us not to partake in trial balloons and hamstring the NC, yet here we are.

I say this in every thread that this comes up.

Yet trip7 and the usual suspects keep throwing candy out of their windowless van, and a handful of kids jump in.

Close the thread and delete the responses to this stuff.

Trip7. Do better. You can’t say “a contract will pass” based off pay rates and a couple improvements. It’s a comprehensive rewrite. The whole thing needs to be evaluated and assessed. Quit posting dumb sh**.

PapaMike 11-17-2022 09:17 AM

Here's a fun math exercise for everyone.

Current 73N A is ~ $285

Assume a 39 year old Pilot with 26 years to go.

5% compounded year over year will have you retire at $1,013 / hr
4% compounded year over year will have you retire at $790 / hr
3% compounded year over year will have you retire at $614 / hr

Every percentage gain we can get now will pay enormously in your future years.

Do Not Settle

notEnuf 11-17-2022 09:24 AM


Originally Posted by PapaMike (Post 3533445)
Here's a fun math exercise for everyone.

Current 73N A is ~ $285

Assume a 39 year old Pilot with 26 years to go.

5% compounded year over year will have you retire at $1,013 / hr
4% compounded year over year will have you retire at $790 / hr
3% compounded year over year will have you retire at $614 / hr

Every percentage gain we can get now will pay enormously in your future years.

Do Not Settle

Try that same exercise with 2004 rates and inflation. 737 in January 2004 was $256.53. https://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm

PapaMike 11-17-2022 09:29 AM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3533449)
Try that same exercise with 2004 rates and inflation. 737 in January 2004 was $256.53. https://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm

Way to miss the point.

The specific numbers themselves aren't important and don't tell of the bigger picture of the economic landscape during that 26 years.

The point is just to show how much a simple percentage point can factor over the course of a contract and more importantly, the course of one's career.

FangsF15 11-17-2022 09:34 AM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 3533390)
Our union asked us not to partake in trial balloons and hamstring the NC, yet here we are.

Harrrumph.



Originally Posted by tunes (Post 3533419)
I wouldnt be so sure of that.

​​​​​​​Harrrumph.

Trip7 11-17-2022 10:07 AM


Originally Posted by TegridyFarms (Post 3533443)
I say this in every thread that this comes up.



Yet trip7 and the usual suspects keep throwing candy out of their windowless van, and a handful of kids jump in.



Close the thread and delete the responses to this stuff.



Trip7. Do better. You can’t say “a contract will pass” based off pay rates and a couple improvements. It’s a comprehensive rewrite. The whole thing needs to be evaluated and assessed. Quit posting dumb sh**.

The contract does not need a comprehensive rewrite. Most of the sections are already done. Vacation has increased. Basically down to pay and QOL. I hope the focus is on eliminating the impact of inflation and the rest on QOL

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notEnuf 11-17-2022 10:09 AM


Originally Posted by PapaMike (Post 3533457)
Way to miss the point.

The specific numbers themselves aren't important and don't tell of the bigger picture of the economic landscape during that 26 years.

The point is just to show how much a simple percentage point can factor over the course of a contract and more importantly, the course of one's career.

...or how much more of that compounding we need because of how far behind we really are. I agree with you, I just moved the start point back a few years to show the bigger picture of how our past 3%s and 4%s are totally inadequate.

notEnuf 11-17-2022 10:14 AM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 3533472)
The contract does not need a comprehensive rewrite. Most of the sections are already done. Vacation has increased. Basically down to pay and QOL. I hope the focus is on eliminating the impact of inflation plus a real raise and the rest on QOL without concessions.

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