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OOfff 11-17-2022 05:58 PM
Originally Posted by TegridyFarms (Post 3533735)
No. It was one of the others. It doesn’t matter, you three are all doing the same thing. Lowering expectations or as some say “floating trial balloons.” Your post was:



So what? If he’s delusional let him be. Retro is a big deal and sets a huge precedent going forward. At any rate. Not something I’m gonna comment with specific numbers on a public forum right now because they’ve asked us not to be doing this at this point. That’s all I am saying.
retro is a big deal. It sets a precedent going forward. Telling someone their expectations are wild is part of the conversation.

and no, that’s not “all you’re saying.” you’re making accusations and personal attacks. So own that.

TegridyFarms 11-17-2022 06:04 PM
Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3533738)
retro is a big deal. It sets a precedent going forward. Telling someone their expectations are wild is part of the conversation.

and no, that’s not “all you’re saying.” you’re making accusations and personal attacks. So own that.
They aren’t personal attacks. You’re the one calling someone delusional. Dude we have been asked to stop doing this stuff (negotiating in public) because it’s puts the clamps on the NC. Yet the usual cast of characters posting that people are delusional over a retro comment, and then your brother from another mother Trip7 posting this:

Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 3533246)
18/5/5/5 will pass with increased vacation, full retro, a few other nuggets here and there and no concessions IMO
It’s not a personal attack. Something such as door pay is floated around and one of you three say “that’s already baked into our hourly rates.” Have a good night.

OOfff 11-17-2022 06:08 PM
Originally Posted by TegridyFarms (Post 3533740)
They aren’t personal attacks.
talking about me shining someone shoes and accusing me of being a shill isn’t an attack? Please.

. Dude we have been asked to stop doing this stuff (negotiating in public) because it’s puts the clamps on the NC.
and yet you don’t call for the banning of people naming their price with retro numbers.

as for the rest of that portion, I’m not trip, take that up with them.

. Something such as door pay is floated around and one of you three say “that’s already baked into our hourly rates.” Have a good night.
Again, I’m going to remind you that I am not trip and didn’t say anything they said.

MJP27 11-17-2022 06:21 PM
Originally Posted by TegridyFarms (Post 3533735)
No. It was one of the others. It doesn’t matter, you three are all doing the same thing. Lowering expectations or as some say “floating trial balloons.” Your post was:



So what? If he’s delusional let him be. Retro is a big deal and sets a huge precedent going forward. At any rate. Not something I’m gonna comment with specific numbers on a public forum right now because they’ve asked us not to be doing this at this point. That’s all I am saying.
Yet you have no problem with the 18% retro back to Jan 1 2020 "trial ballon". Don't see you calling any of those folks out.....Because you agree with this wildly unrealistic expectation.....

Softheborder 11-17-2022 06:35 PM
Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 3533390)
Our union asked us not to partake in trial balloons and hamstring the NC, yet here we are.
That’s hilarious…it was an LEC Rep that floated the balloon. Trust nothing you hear and 1/2 of what you see. We’ll have an IAP before Christmas and it’ll be remarkably close to what’s been floated.

Bottlen0se 11-17-2022 07:05 PM
Originally Posted by Softheborder (Post 3533762)
That’s hilarious…it was an LEC Rep that floated the balloon. Trust nothing you hear and 1/2 of what you see. We’ll have an IAP before Christmas and it’ll be remarkably close to what’s been floated.
My personal hunch was it was not a management trial balloon. And I agree with you, AIP by Christmas is more likely than not.

notEnuf 11-17-2022 07:06 PM
Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3533705)
Weird how accurate my predictions back in 2019 after the conceptual opener have turned out to be. I suspected at least two years for a contract but covid tacked a bit onto that. The question again is how does the MEC walk back their opener and produce a contract that can be ratified. I am not sure in the near term that is possible. Sentiment does however seem to be shifting in the pilot group so who knows. You can see it even in the forum posts on here.
so… trial balloon mission accomplished?

tunes 11-17-2022 07:14 PM
It is 100% a management trial balloon. There has been no discussions of pay rates sine managements first offer.

Jurasicjets 11-17-2022 07:26 PM
I want to throw a comment out, with government Covid money given out, was a stipulation on freezing executive pay part of the program, doesn’t that stipulation end in Feb or March of 2023? We will have to have a contract before upper management can get a raise…. My guess is by February we will see something. They would not want to delay getting a raise…. Just a guess


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CX500T 11-17-2022 07:57 PM
This is my answer.

https://youtu.be/8FOg2nYHXb8

Ed thinks he's The Kurgan though.

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