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Originally Posted by MJP27
(Post 3532101)
I implore you, please stop.
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Originally Posted by Jaww
(Post 3532097)
With IVDs, there is no reason you can’t carve out a sizeable summer vacation for yourself. I have been using my garbage vacation weeks and plopping them during the summer. Has worked great. They won’t get you holidays but my family summer vacations have not suffered. I hope IVDs stay codified or maybe even improved upon. They are great flexibility.
That said, I’m glad they are addressing the barren wasteland that is the summer vacation week availability. I'm looking forward to the details of the vacation aip. |
Originally Posted by FangsF15
(Post 3532103)
One other thing that struck me from the NN:
“made significant progress on numerous secondary items in Section 3 – Compensation” Could “boarding pay” be included? “Establish Door Pay” was in our opener... That would be a massive gain, as domestic rotations would effectively add nearly an hour’s pay to ADG. |
Originally Posted by brakechatter
(Post 3532066)
The vacation AIP also said this, "Additionally, the rate at which Delta pilots accrue additional weeks of vacation accelerates...." and this, ".....and the distribution of vacation weeks throughout the year will improve - with particular emphasis on increased vacation weeks being made available for bid in summer months
When those on the junior side of the scale achieve additional longevity, they will also benefit from your quoted portion of the NN. They could add ONE additional week in summer months and it would be compliant with this AIP, yet still be essentially no change. Devil is in the details. Hopefully there are defined metrics in the final language forcing an even distribution throughout the year. Regarding “value” of vacation, I think it’s important to have some definition around what constitutes “value.” Is it hours PAID per vacation day or hours “CREDIT” per day? I genuinely don’t know enough about how other carriers’ vacation credits work, it it would be nice to know how the calculations were made when comparing to ensure an apples to apples comp. My opinion is that higher credit per day and more even annual distribution is higher priority to maximize vacation “value.” |
Originally Posted by StartngOvr
(Post 3532124)
They could add ONE additional week in summer months and it would be compliant with this AIP, yet still be essentially no change. Devil is in the details. Hopefully there are defined metrics in the final language forcing an even distribution throughout the year.
Regarding “value” of vacation, I think it’s important to have some definition around what constitutes “value.” Is it hours PAID per vacation day or hours “CREDIT” per day? I genuinely don’t know enough about how other carriers’ vacation credits work, it it would be nice to know how the calculations were made when comparing to ensure an apples to apples comp. My opinion is that higher credit per day and more even annual distribution is higher priority to maximize vacation “value.” |
Originally Posted by FangsF15
(Post 3532103)
One other thing that struck me from the NN:
“made significant progress on numerous secondary items in Section 3 – Compensation” Could “boarding pay” be included? “Establish Door Pay” was in our opener... That would be a massive gain, as domestic rotations would effectively add nearly an hour’s pay to ADG. |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 3532148)
It could be international pay, ground deadhead, night pay, Per Diem ect.. If they establish door pay look for them to mitigate it somewhat with a change in procedures on when the door is closed.
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Originally Posted by Bottlen0se
(Post 3532152)
Wouldn’t be surprised if Holiday pay is established
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
(Post 3532103)
One other thing that struck me from the NN:
“made significant progress on numerous secondary items in Section 3 – Compensation” Could “boarding pay” be included? “Establish Door Pay” was in our opener... That would be a massive gain, as domestic rotations would effectively add nearly an hour’s pay to ADG. |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 3532148)
It could be international pay, ground deadhead, night pay, Per Diem ect.. If they establish door pay look for them to mitigate it somewhat with a change in procedures on when the door is closed.
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