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Trip7 11-17-2022 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 3533392)
No kidding. If I'm not on the airplane 35 minutes prior we push late.



Maybe I'm too thorough :confused:

Takes me 25 mins tops with no complex MELs.

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Trip7 11-17-2022 08:06 AM


Originally Posted by p3flteng (Post 3533366)
I am not specifically talking about the pay for boarding or door pay. My comment is in reference to ‘sitting down and pushing buttons for ten minutes’ is a safe and real preflight. So you agree with that? You are ready to go after pushing buttons for ten minutes? Please , PM me your schedule, so I can be sure and keep my family off your airplane.

Settle down there Sammy(I know not your name just an expression). 10 mins is alittle overzealous and exaggerated but so is trying to get boarding pay because the FAs have it.

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interceptorpilo 11-17-2022 08:09 AM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 3533403)
Settle down there Sammy(I know not your name just an expression). 10 mins is alittle overzealous and exaggerated but so is trying to get boarding pay because the FAs have it.

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I don’t see anything wrong with boarding pay. It is the gift that keeps on giving. Every time we get a pay bump we get a bump in boarding pay. Obviously management has no qualms with the idea.

notEnuf 11-17-2022 08:39 AM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 3533392)
No kidding. If I'm not on the airplane 35 minutes prior we push late.

Maybe I'm too thorough :confused:

With the continuous distractions and repeating work to ensure I picked up where I left off, any MEL that requires my attention, calling dispatch for some fuel, reviewing all our possible taxi/runway change plan with WDR issues like tailwinds, TO power, packs off etc., deice calls and planning, jumpseat/nonrev check walk, NOTOC, LEOs, new FO brief every effin leg, FC meet and greet (ok, I don't do that) and my PDP, I'm easily at 45 minutes.

p3flteng 11-17-2022 09:11 AM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3533422)
With the continuous distractions and repeating work to ensure I picked up where I left off, any MEL that requires my attention, calling dispatch for some fuel, reviewing all our possible taxi/runway change plan with WDR issues like tailwinds, TO power, packs off etc., deice calls and planning, jumpseat/nonrev check walk, NOTOC, LEOs, new FO brief every effin leg, FC meet and greet (ok, I don't do that) and my PDP, I'm easily at 45 minutes.

that’s my point, it ain’t ten minutes of pushing buttons. It’ll take me 30 min at least.. and that’s no curveballs. Add in one or two complexities, and that rapidly edges towards a full hour.

Whether or not we get paid for it is a separate debate, either in our hourly rates like Betty Crocker says, or maybe added in by some formula such as door pay that the FA group already has established. I am ok either way. If it’s given without much fuss, hell no one ever says no to more money. If it come with a price tag, well then that’s maybe not worth the squeeze.

FangsF15 11-17-2022 09:25 AM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 3533403)
Settle down there Sammy(I know not your name just an expression). 10 mins is alittle overzealous and exaggerated but so is trying to get boarding pay because the FAs have it.

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I would hugely disagree with that. They’ve been riding our coat tails for years, and have been the unseen entity in the room every time we tried to negotiate just about anything (SIL’s ring a bell?). What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. It’s about time that blade cuts the other way.

Besides, it’s a good way to get some soft pay to keep “the general public” from questioning our hourly rate.

Honestly baffled why anyone would be against the “me too” on boarding pay.

Extenda 11-17-2022 09:33 AM

I just view pay as how many days of work I do in a 30/31 day period, contrasted with how much money I get that month.

Why does it matter how it’s compartmentalized?

Trip7 11-17-2022 10:44 AM


Originally Posted by FangsF15 (Post 3533452)
I would hugely disagree with that. They’ve been riding our coat tails for years, and have been the unseen entity in the room every time we tried to negotiate just about anything (SIL’s ring a bell?). What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. It’s about time that blade cuts the other way.



Besides, it’s a good way to get some soft pay to keep “the general public” from questioning our hourly rate.



Honestly baffled why anyone would be against the “me too” on boarding pay.

Because it's unnecessary and IMO, beneath our profession. . Just roll everything into the hourly rate. What's next? Accepting tips like FAs get occasionally? Soft gains can also be attained thru other methods like increased DC vs wasting negotiating capital on boarding pay like it's a amateur hour

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Der Meister 11-17-2022 10:53 AM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 3533486)
Because it's unnecessary and IMO, beneath our profession. . Just roll everything into the hourly rate. What's next? Accepting tips like FAs get occasionally? Soft gains can also be attained thru other methods like increased DC vs wasting negotiating capital on boarding pay like it's a amateur hour

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Rolling everything into pay rates is exactly the reason our work rules are way below industry standard.

notEnuf 11-17-2022 11:21 AM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 3533486)
Because it's unnecessary and IMO, beneath our profession. . Just roll everything into the hourly rate. What's next? Accepting tips like FAs get occasionally? Soft gains can also be attained thru other methods like increased DC vs wasting negotiating capital on boarding pay like it's a amateur hour

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Let’s just call it an overage then there’s no issue.

Beneath you to accept tips? Good to know your van drivers are beneath you. If you’re wrapped up in what you call your compensation your arrogance is getting in the way. The only reason I don’t accept tips is because Delta says I can’t.


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