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Ar Pilot 11-19-2022 06:24 AM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3534409)
The rigs are out dated. We need a sit rig. Or better duty AND TAFB rigs.

we already have that. 12.J and K in the contract.

notEnuf 11-19-2022 06:28 AM


Originally Posted by Ar Pilot (Post 3534419)
we already have that. 12.J and K in the contract.

Yup, as I said... we need better rigs or a new sit rig because they are outdated.

saturn 11-19-2022 07:48 AM


Originally Posted by Hossharris (Post 3534401)
Trip rig and duty rig apply here. Tweak those but beware of unintended effects

Our ADG rig without proper rigs beside it is all the optimizer really is. Change my mind!

ebl14 11-19-2022 08:21 AM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 3533486)
Because it's unnecessary and IMO, beneath our profession. . Just roll everything into the hourly rate. What's next? Accepting tips like FAs get occasionally? Soft gains can also be attained thru other methods like increased DC vs wasting negotiating capital on boarding pay like it's a amateur hour

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I don’t understand your heartburn with this. More soft pay is better, the more places we can pick it up the better. W T F O

Scoop 11-19-2022 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by Ar Pilot (Post 3534419)
we already have that. 12.J and K in the contract.


Not exactly. Those are rigs for sure, but they can be easily wiped out via creative scheduling compliments of the optimizer. We need a dedicated "sit rig" which is exactly what AAL has. I have written my Reps about this numerous times and am hopeful it will appear in C-19, I mean C-22, scratch that C-23. :D IIRC,not 100% sure but its something like this, AAL Pilots get 1 for 2 on sits over 2 hours - which is hard pay. Sit for three hours they get an additional 30 minutes, sit for 4 hours an extra hour of hard pay.

Scoop

Buck Rogers 11-19-2022 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 3534499)
Not exactly. Those are rigs for sure, but they can be easily wiped out via creative scheduling compliments of the optimizer. We need a dedicated "sit rig" which is exactly what AAL has. I have written my Reps about this numerous times and am hopeful it will appear in C-19, I mean C-22, scratch that C-23. :D IIRC,not 100% sure but its something like this, AAL Pilots get 1 for 2 on sits over 2 hours - which is hard pay. Sit for three hours they get an additional 30 minutes, sit for 4 hours an extra hour of hard pay.

Scoop

That ain't nutin' bro....... I get 1:1 sleep pay at Delta by flying international:cool::D

notEnuf 11-19-2022 10:26 AM


Originally Posted by Buck Rogers (Post 3534521)
That ain't nutin' bro....... I get 1:1 sleep pay at Delta by flying international:cool::D

Sounds like a "good deal." ;)

Scoop 11-19-2022 01:59 PM


Originally Posted by Buck Rogers (Post 3534521)
That ain't nutin' bro....... I get 1:1 sleep pay at Delta by flying international:cool::D

OK - I know your post is in jest, great job with the emojis, :) but as you know the "sit rig" would be for the domestic line dogs that power through the grind, day after day. Its not even an afterthought with the WB international crowd.

Scoop

boog123 11-21-2022 07:34 AM


Originally Posted by Hossharris (Post 3534401)
Trip rig and duty rig apply here. Tweak those but beware of unintended effects

Go on. Pull up any random trip and apply your “be careful what you ask for” mentality. Probably some pretty scary stuff, but I’d like to educate myself.

JamesBond 11-21-2022 07:37 AM


Originally Posted by boog123 (Post 3535260)
Go on. Pull up any random trip and apply your “be careful what you ask for” mentality. Probably some pretty scary stuff, but I’d like to educate myself.

One I can think of off the top of my head is that if the rigs are too onerous, 30 hour south America layovers will become 12 hour rockets. I know a lot of guys really dig efficient trips but I don't fly international to sit in an airport hotel.


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