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DisMyGamerTag 11-22-2022 01:49 PM

[QUOTE=Gunfighter;3536125]

Originally Posted by DisMyGamerTag (Post 3536124)

Flight cancelled for lack of crew.

You would still get paid to deadhead back, if it happened at the outstation. Would you not? If your other pilot calls in sick or fatigued, right?

Iceberg 11-22-2022 01:50 PM


Originally Posted by DisMyGamerTag (Post 3536124)

Oh… okay… cool story

Btw, why would a pilot lose GS pay because the other pilot was replaced or you went from flying a leg to deadheading on the next flight?

Reserves have no trip guarantee, and a reserve GS is treated the same so they would lose the pay/PB days.

A regular would get paid single pay for the scheduled trip plus single pay for the part they flew.

Both could result in loss of pay. Neither justifies that captain’s actions.

DWC CAP10 USAF 11-22-2022 01:55 PM

[QUOTE=DisMyGamerTag;3536124]

Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF (Post 3536110)

Oh… okay… cool story

Btw, why would a pilot lose GS pay because the other pilot was replaced or you went from flying a leg to deadheading on the next flight? How does that cancel a GS anyways?

Also, do you seriously think some ”make a point” fatigue calls are not happening out here? Really?

”cool story”…well it really happened.

Capt was ATL based and picked it up as OOBGS…he drop into work for what was going to be a short flight ATL to JAX (I believe..it was somewhere in FL), shower overnight, then first flight back to ATL next day.

Flight was very late departure out of ATL and land after midnight.

FO lands from his LAX-ATL leg and calls in fatigued….flight cancels for lack of crew.

Can’t remember if Capt was REG or RES, but no rotation guarantee if RES.

DisMyGamerTag 11-22-2022 02:06 PM


Originally Posted by Iceberg (Post 3536126)
I haven’t flown with a single person who has needed to get off the trip badly enough to fake a fatigue call. I also haven’t felt the need to question another persons own assessment of their personal readiness. I also can’t go on micrew to perform discovery on whether fatigue calls were legitimate. Perhaps your experience isn’t the same as all other pilots.

No when asked for evidence, I said do you want me to go to MiCrew and get employee numbers, provide you with the flights, or any other data on the particular flights? What’s evidence does someone want on an anonymous website?

I said it happened because it happened. And it is being encouraged somewhere in the ranks as a way to stick it to the sodomizer or just get time off. Or I guess both? I’m not on Facebook to see whatever infamous page they got going there. It’s mostly newer guys l, but not totally.

I mean when someone looks at me and says I am thinking of calling fatigued on day 3, what do you think? That’s a you thing, I don’t tell people not to call in fatigued. Id call in for them if I thought they were, or call in sick for them, but not the other way around.

LeineLodge 11-22-2022 02:07 PM

[QUOTE=DWC CAP10 USAF;3536136]

Originally Posted by DisMyGamerTag (Post 3536124)

”cool story”…well it really happened.

Capt was ATL based and picked it up as OOBGS…he drop into work for what was going to be a short flight ATL to JAX (I believe..it was somewhere in FL), shower overnight, then first flight back to ATL next day.

Flight was very late departure out of ATL and land after midnight.

FO lands from his LAX-ATL leg and calls in fatigued….flight cancels for lack of crew.

Can’t remember if Capt was REG or RES, but no rotation guarantee if RES.

Unrelated to Gameboy’s totally inappropriate judging of other pilots’ fatigue calls…this needs to be fixed.

I’ve been bitten by this 3 times over the years. Each time I was already to the airport, in uniform on an X day. It shouldn’t matter REG or RES, if a pilot volunteers to fly a GS they should be protected even if something else later screws up the rotation. 2 hours of suit up pay towards guarantee is unsat.

DisMyGamerTag 11-22-2022 02:08 PM

[QUOTE=DWC CAP10 USAF;3536136]

Originally Posted by DisMyGamerTag (Post 3536124)

”cool story”…well it really happened.

Capt was ATL based and picked it up as OOBGS…he drop into work for what was going to be a short flight ATL to JAX (I believe..it was somewhere in FL), shower overnight, then first flight back to ATL next day.

Flight was very late departure out of ATL and land after midnight.

FO lands from his LAX-ATL leg and calls in fatigued….flight cancels for lack of crew.

Can’t remember if Capt was REG or RES, but no rotation guarantee if RES.

I wasn’t on a gs on the out of station one but it was cancelled and I got paid for my next leg deadhead home. Just double checked. And it was on reserve

Broncos 11-22-2022 02:52 PM


Originally Posted by DisMyGamerTag (Post 3536012)
bro, do you even fly?

For the last 37 years, bro

fishforfun 11-22-2022 03:30 PM


Originally Posted by DisMyGamerTag (Post 3536142)
No when asked for evidence, I said do you want me to go to MiCrew and get employee numbers, provide you with the flights, or any other data on the particular flights? What’s evidence does someone want on an anonymous website?

I said it happened because it happened. And it is being encouraged somewhere in the ranks as a way to stick it to the sodomizer or just get time off. Or I guess both? I’m not on Facebook to see whatever infamous page they got going there. It’s mostly newer guys l, but not totally.

I mean when someone looks at me and says I am thinking of calling fatigued on day 3, what do you think? That’s a you thing, I don’t tell people not to call in fatigued. Id call in for them if I thought they were, or call in sick for them, but not the other way around.

For every fatigue call that you don’t think is legitimate there are 1000 GSs covering trips due to staffing problems. Do you really think your anecdotal stores are the norm? You must also think most people on short call don’t actually commute in for them. Or that we should all have to provide a Dr note for a sick call. What is it with the holier than thou pilots sniping at a small minority of other pilots and blaming us for what the company has created?

ancman 11-22-2022 05:55 PM


Originally Posted by DisMyGamerTag (Post 3536142)
It’s mostly newer guys l, but not totally.

I mean when someone looks at me and says I am thinking of calling fatigued on day 3, what do you think? That’s a you thing, I don’t tell people not to call in fatigued. Id call in for them if I thought they were, or call in sick for them, but not the other way around.

I’m proud of the fact that more of the newer guys/gals don’t hesitate to call in fatigued when they are. It’s far better than the “we must complete the mission” mentality that permeated this pilot group in years past.

notEnuf 11-22-2022 07:38 PM


Originally Posted by DisMyGamerTag (Post 3536142)
No when asked for evidence, I said do you want me to go to MiCrew and get employee numbers, provide you with the flights, or any other data on the particular flights? What’s evidence does someone want on an anonymous website?

I said it happened because it happened. And it is being encouraged somewhere in the ranks as a way to stick it to the sodomizer or just get time off. Or I guess both? I’m not on Facebook to see whatever infamous page they got going there. It’s mostly newer guys l, but not totally.

I mean when someone looks at me and says I am thinking of calling fatigued on day 3, what do you think? That’s a you thing, I don’t tell people not to call in fatigued. Id call in for them if I thought they were, or call in sick for them, but not the other way around.

The union puts out a document each month identifying some fatigue mitigation issues. I’m always aware of potential fatigue problems well ahead of my trip. I communicate that concern as soon as I meet the pilot I am flying with. That’s called good SA and CRM.


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