Originally Posted by StartngOvr (Post 3532124)

They could add ONE additional week in summer months and it would be compliant with this AIP, yet still be essentially no change. Devil is in the details. Hopefully there are defined metrics in the final language forcing an even distribution throughout the year.

Regarding “value” of vacation, I think it’s important to have some definition around what constitutes “value.” Is it hours PAID per vacation day or hours “CREDIT” per day? I genuinely don’t know enough about how other carriers’ vacation credits work, it it would be nice to know how the calculations were made when comparing to ensure an apples to apples comp.

My opinion is that higher credit per day and more even annual distribution is higher priority to maximize vacation “value.”

Originally Posted by Bottlen0se (Post 3532152)

Wouldn’t be surprised if Holiday pay is established

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3532148)

It could be international pay, ground deadhead, night pay, Per Diem ect.. If they establish door pay look for them to mitigate it somewhat with a change in procedures on when the door is closed.

Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3532190)

I heard we are expanding "leave when ready." Are you saying they would roll that back?

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3532265)

They would likely try and time door closure more closely with actual push be it early or late. If they know there is a 30 minute wait for deice they will leave the door open. Much like they track out time to aircraft movement they might start tracking door closure to push.

Originally Posted by waldo135 (Post 3532301)

They already do this with the push not to release brakes (the out trigger) until actually cleared to push and ready to move.

Originally Posted by brakechatter (Post 3532217)

Trying to understand your point. Vacation is pay/no credit right now in the contract, for the purposes of line construction and green slip trigger, vacation value is considered pay and credit. I don’t see vacation changing to pay and credit in all aspects of the contract, but I do t know the details of what has been agreed upon.

Originally Posted by FangsF15 (Post 3532103)

One other thing that struck me from the NN:

“made significant progress on numerous secondary items in Section 3 – Compensation”

Could “boarding pay” be included? “Establish Door Pay” was in our opener... That would be a massive gain, as domestic rotations would effectively add nearly an hour’s pay to ADG.

Originally Posted by fishforfun (Post 3531673)

Thats not completely honest. Did they provide specific numbers? No, of course not. But the overall tone is very different from previous updates and that says a lot.