This doesn't make any sense. If the senior pilots don't pick up the white slips, the company can either make them silver slips or give out more green slips... an improvement but what the company will try to avoid. If the company gives these trips out as silver slips then they don't go out as green, but wouldn't have anyway.

Basically if the senior pilots look at potential money and wait for a silver it can increase the pay by a large amount. The company has to decide to put put the rotations as silver slips well before they would ever be a green slip. Your entire premise is that the company wants to reduce green slips, so where in your mind does it make sense that the company would wait to offer them to the junior green slips rather than put them as a silver earlier.

You're twisting yourself into knots trying to argue this but you are to the point of trying to say the company won't offer them because they'd rather just give the trips to a junior pilot as a green slip? Even if you're right there... then that is still not a negative.

 

This happens all the time and is understandable. People who think - “It’s no big deal” are not really motivated enough to post but the “doomsayers” are very motivated. I distinctly remember when we first started signing and leaving the release at the gate - you would think it was the end of the world. Not to mention my personal favorite, the “ horror” of SC being reduced to 9 hours - a very nice QOL gain that a few went into hypothetical gymnastics to explain how it was a screw job, but that never happened.

Sometimes the “Doomsayers” are correct but you really need to filter through the chaff. When the GS trigger was reduced some downplayed it as not being important because we in Covid and flying was reduced. It was and is huge.

Finally is this deal perfect - No, it has a few warts but when folks say “Point out any QOL” gains you know they are trolling because even the No voting Reps have conceded plenty of QOL gains.

Stop feeding the Trolls. You can tell when folks have legitimate concerns and are genuinely contributing, but you can also tell the opposite.


Scoop

 

I'm telling you what is currently happening in my category. Trying to pretend the senior pilots would suddenly change behavior if status quo remained is insulting. So no, the silver slip doesn't remove multiple greenslips from a trip being split. I'll add that it's also insulting to just assume all trips are split for green slips.

 

Point of order, gate agents try to leave jumpseaters and nonrevs so often now that leaving a signed release at the gate just increases occurances. Leave the release and the agent hands the weather to the lead FA and tries to shut the door. Keep the release and you at least get direct contact. I've gone up to the top and flat out refused to leave until they got the jumpseaters and nonrevs on and it is a lot easier having prevented the door from being closed.

 

Reference tennisguru's post #60 in this thread. That's the homework which you seek.

A5S

 

Tennisguru doesn't actually say that though. They suppose some categories should see a change, but does not go so far as it being a concession. In my category I see it increasing premium paid which they didn't even consider.

So no, it doesn't show anything I'm seeking as far as this being a concession or reducing premium pay overall.

 

Who said their behavior would change? I’m telling you their behavior won’t change at all. You seem to think their behavior would change based on theoretical SS the company won’t issue for the category you describe.
Yes, a silver slip prevents one or more (more in most cases) green slips from being generated. Why would I need to assume all trips are split for green slips? All I need you to recognize is that often, if not the majority of times trips are split for green slips.

 

Excellent point but this can be mitigated by a quick walk up the jetway.

Scoop

 

The senior pilots will just fly them white. The senior pilots aren’t looking at possibly more pay, they’re still watching junior guys get green slips so they will just do what they’re already doing.

Yes the company does have to decide, and in the fantasy scenario you present the company will repeatedly decide to not make them silver. Then your greedy senior pilots will continue to fly them white rather than let them go green to a junior pilot.

I’m not twisting anything, I’m explaining to you why the company isn’t offering premium pay it doesn’t need to.

Yes, if the company suddenly becomes magnanimous they could give every open trip as a SS. Does it confuse you when I tell you the company wont do that either?

 

Great, so now that your argument is that the company won't even offer them we can agree that silver slips are not a concession then