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Old 01-29-2023 | 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Baradium
I agree, it's not less pay. I'm starting to feel like the PB day and greenslip argument is a cover for other areas they don't like but don't think other pilots would agree with them on.
Of course it is. They can't get themselves to admit it.
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Old 01-29-2023 | 02:55 PM
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Serious question to those that are advocating for the Silver Slip: how does this result in more premium to the category in which the company awards them? I've seen examples how of Silver Slips are detrimental to an understaffed category, but haven't seen examples where SSs are beneficial to the category.

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Old 01-29-2023 | 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by All 5 Stages
Serious question to those that are advocating for the Silver Slip: how does this result in more premium to the category in which the company awards them? I've seen examples how Silver Slips are detrimental to an understaffed category, but haven't seen examples where SSs are beneficial to the category.

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I speak only for myself, and I don’t pretend to know how many SS will or won’t be used. The benefit of a SS is advanced notice of premium pay. How and if that benefits each pilot varies significantly. It’s a missing piece in the quality of life calculus for many pilots, particularly commuters. Like every single provision in the PWA, the benefit is not uniform across any category.
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Old 01-29-2023 | 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by All 5 Stages
Serious question to those that are advocating for the Silver Slip: how does this result in more premium to the category in which the company awards them? I've seen examples how Silver Slips are detrimental to an understaffed category, but haven't seen examples where SSs are beneficial to the category.

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Perhaps the goal for some is to even out the distribution of premium trips. A small minority has made bank with PB days and rolling thunder. Nothing wrong with that. A loss of PB days may make some work more, while others may be able to partake in the festivities. Others may continue to fly their regular schedules and hopefully be rerouted less. Some will be winners, some will lose out.
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Old 01-29-2023 | 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by All 5 Stages
Serious question to those that are advocating for the Silver Slip: how does this result in more premium to the category in which the company awards them? I've seen examples how of Silver Slips are detrimental to an understaffed category, but haven't seen examples where SSs are beneficial to the category.

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Are you discounting my category where senior pilots whiteslip since they go to the bottom after greenslip #1? It's a massive incentive to not whiteslip since silvers use the whiteslip pickup limit and they get to be top again for those. That's extra premium right there.
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Old 01-29-2023 | 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
I don’t understand how SS is less pay. It’s 200 percent just like a GS. Me personally, I’m not bidding a SS unless 1 leg out and 1 back on day 2.
Because a SS given 4+ days out eliminates at a minimum 1 green slip. Thats a 1 for 1 trade. The company isn’t using SS to replace GS 1 for 1 with more notice because of some strange generosity.
The company will only use SS when they project low/no reserve coverage and excessive green slips going out including a bunch of split trips.

So instead of the over 200% with split greens and PB days notched by RES pilots the company will give out just the 200% when it benefits them.

How are people arguing the company will choose to use SS in a manner that doesn’t benefit them?
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Old 01-29-2023 | 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Baradium
Ok, you'll have to explain this. The company literally has full control of premium pay as it is. They can do a GS, they can go to IA. They can even cancel a flight. Or staff to where reserves cover everything.

And you haven't illustrated anything. Your argument has basically come down to "because reasons."
The company doesn’t have full control. They have a lot, but how does that justify giving them more?

The company could go IA or cancel flights. They don't because those options are more expensive.
They could staff appropriately, but they dont because that’s more expensive.

And yet you have this belief that the company will issue SS in scenarios where it would be equal or more expensive for them to do so.
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Old 01-29-2023 | 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Baradium
Are you discounting my category where senior pilots whiteslip since they go to the bottom after greenslip #1? It's a massive incentive to not whiteslip since silvers use the whiteslip pickup limit and they get to be top again for those. That's extra premium right there.
It’s not extra premium because it’s a fictitious situation.
There are no silver slips with junior pilots waiting for green slips. There are no junior green slips when senior pilots will fly white to spite them.
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Old 01-29-2023 | 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by FL370
Perhaps the goal for some is to even out the distribution of premium trips. A small minority has made bank with PB days and rolling thunder. Nothing wrong with that. A loss of PB days may make some work more, while others may be able to partake in the festivities. Others may continue to fly their regular schedules and hopefully be rerouted less. Some will be winners, some will lose out.
That sounds like a great goal. Giving the company more control over premium pay isn’t the way to do it.
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Old 01-29-2023 | 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by CX500T
The API wpuld basically allow real time, read only access to data such as when things were uncovered, created or otherwise put in open time, plus who has GS, SS blanket WS etc, who is VAS, who is rerouted and then bounce that off the PWA in real time and flag thibgs to be manually audited.

So lets just say Dudebro has a blanket GS in, has no conflicts or restrictions, Joemama is VAS and legal for the trip, and Viper gets rerouted. Lets just say this is for the JFK-BOS leg I am deadheading on.

Captain calls out sick. Nobody on normal short call.

Dudebro should get call for GS, he doesn't. He's the most senior legal guy with a GS in.

Joemama is in the lounge under T4, checked in ready to go.

Viper iS flying DFW-JFK, expecting 16hr layover at jfk. Prior to TOD, acars and reroute.

As it stands now, Viper has no way to know if it was a legal reroute or not.

API, we see the data. Trip is covered. API feeds data to SupaAce App (made name up)

It sees Dudebro had a GS in. And sees they made no attempt to GS.

It also sees Joemama was VAS and not used.

Beep. Flagged.

Viper should get paid for illegal reroute, and Dudebro for skipped GS.

Joemama gets paid for VAS as he went unused.

And this all happens in microseconds.
The API would just be given the error message “Please use the F keys.”
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