Pro/Con Papers?
02-10-2023 | 06:05 AM
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02-10-2023 | 06:08 AM
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I said a long time ago to be careful about these high credit day work rules. If you make it painful enough, those 30 hour layovers will turn into short overnights. What really worries me is that for those that like South America, those 30 hour BOG/EZE/GRU/SCL layovers will turn into 12 hour short layover rockets.
02-10-2023 | 06:15 AM
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I said a long time ago to be careful about these high credit day work rules. If you make it painful enough, those 30 hour layovers will turn into short overnights. What really worries me is that for those that like South America, those 30 hour BOG/EZE/GRU/SCL layovers will turn into 12 hour short layover rockets.
02-10-2023 | 06:20 AM
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Perhaps, but those are driven by network, pax prefer the redeye both ways. Pilot pay is peanuts compared to the revenue on the flights, they won’t kneecap it for us, we aren’t that important. It would be like worrying that Europe becomes all day flights over and back, to turn them into two days.
02-10-2023 | 06:21 AM
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The min calendar day rig does not apply to Ocean Crossing. The PWA defines an Ocean Crossing as: To or from an airport in South America, as follows: 1) between the United States and any point further south of the equator than 3 degrees, 30 minutes south latitude on the South American continent, and 2) any flight segment scheduled for greater than eight hours to, within or from the South American continent. So looks like only Bogota could potentially be effected depending on where it was served from.
02-10-2023 | 06:41 AM
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02-10-2023 | 06:42 AM
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Tis thee that has no interest in an honest discussion old windy one.
You prefer to slam my character and throw out the old 'he's throwing the victim card' replies while discounting my concerns.
But as I said earlier, you can relax. You won. Just stop rubbing my nose in it when I point out that it ain't all that great an agreement for everybody.
You prefer to slam my character and throw out the old 'he's throwing the victim card' replies while discounting my concerns.
But as I said earlier, you can relax. You won. Just stop rubbing my nose in it when I point out that it ain't all that great an agreement for everybody.
02-10-2023 | 06:47 AM
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OK... for the sake of discussion....
How many pilots do you think had already voted by the time these were released? (I'll bet the MEC already knew that this thing has passed) Would these papers have changed any minds? Probably not, so I think this is a weak attempt at publishing something that the MEC had no real interest in doing in the first place in an attempt to placate the 'no' voters. IMHO it is a disservice that the MEC didn't want these released prior to commencement of voting because they are all in on this TA. After talking to two of the ATL reps, I have no doubt that they would do anything to ensure passage. I guess what bothers me is that they essentially withheld information. So why even bother with memrat? Let's just go back to the days before we had it.
How many pilots do you think had already voted by the time these were released? (I'll bet the MEC already knew that this thing has passed) Would these papers have changed any minds? Probably not, so I think this is a weak attempt at publishing something that the MEC had no real interest in doing in the first place in an attempt to placate the 'no' voters. IMHO it is a disservice that the MEC didn't want these released prior to commencement of voting because they are all in on this TA. After talking to two of the ATL reps, I have no doubt that they would do anything to ensure passage. I guess what bothers me is that they essentially withheld information. So why even bother with memrat? Let's just go back to the days before we had it.
02-10-2023 | 06:55 AM
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Tis thee that has no interest in an honest discussion old windy one.
You prefer to slam my character and throw out the old 'he's throwing the victim card' replies while discounting my concerns.
But as I said earlier, you can relax. You won. Just stop rubbing my nose in it when I point out that it ain't all that great an agreement for everybody.
You prefer to slam my character and throw out the old 'he's throwing the victim card' replies while discounting my concerns.
But as I said earlier, you can relax. You won. Just stop rubbing my nose in it when I point out that it ain't all that great an agreement for everybody.
Me: It isn't always additive. Clarifies the language.
You: Just wait until my EZE/GRU layovers become turns because of this new language
Me: The language doesn't apply to those places. See the language.
You: Musing about long games and trust and other things irrelevant to the part that you were wrong and don't want to admit it.
You can just say, "Oh, I didn't know it didn't apply to those cities. I was wrong about that. I guess those rotations won't be affected." And I'll glad stop responding about it.
02-10-2023 | 07:10 AM
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Put up facts or just take it like an adult and admit you were wrong
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