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Old 01-29-2023 | 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyingtank
The company doesn’t have full control. They have a lot, but how does that justify giving them more?

The company could go IA or cancel flights. They don't because those options are more expensive.
They could staff appropriately, but they dont because that’s more expensive.

And yet you have this belief that the company will issue SS in scenarios where it would be equal or more expensive for them to do so.
The company would have the exact same control over what gets offered for pilots to fly whether it’s a GS, WS, SS, OOBGSWC….. it’s the same control they just would have another slip to offer. Pilots then choose if they want to accept whatever code to work.

I get called for an IA a few times every month.

Cancels generally show up as equipment swaps those happen all the time. I’m on the 765 we see a lot of ER and 330 trades both into 765 and from 765.

You think they won’t offer SS, but you think SS will take away GS. Pick a lane it can’t be both.

So many pilots don’t see the same angle as you. I think we all have listened and tried to see it. I know I did. If I saw the issue, I’d be right next to you shining light on what I perceived as a problem (see scope discussion). I don’t see the issue with SS. Good luck on your crusade
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Old 01-29-2023 | 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyingtank
It’s not extra premium because it’s a fictitious situation.
There are no silver slips with junior pilots waiting for green slips. There are no junior green slips when senior pilots will fly white to spite them.
Then silver slips are still not a negative. Thank you for agreeing with me
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Old 01-29-2023 | 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyingtank
The company doesn’t have full control. They have a lot, but how does that justify giving them more?

The company could go IA or cancel flights. They don't because those options are more expensive.
They could staff appropriately, but they dont because that’s more expensive.

And yet you have this belief that the company will issue SS in scenarios where it would be equal or more expensive for them to do so.
My belief is simply that they won't reduce premium pay. If they aren't used then they still aren't a concession.
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Old 01-29-2023 | 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Baradium
Saying something is reality doesn't make it so.

Overall the TA adds a ton of premium, from reroutes to the very expensive and hard to use field standby (you can't actually be assigned a trip, just a turn or out and back overnight and day 2 pays a premium too). Even duty rigs are a bunch of premium.

This TA gives a lot of money and QOL incentives to the pilot group. That is reality.
That ton of premium is all settled sections prior to the supposaltimatum. The default who be to return to traditional negotiations with the last settled positions that were not part of the supposal. Scheduling sections 12 and 23 were completed, as was most everything except rates, retro and retirement.
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Old 01-29-2023 | 06:18 PM
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That ton of premium is all settled sections prior to the supposaltimatum. The default who be to return to traditional negotiations with the last settled positions that were not part of the supposal. Scheduling sections 12 and 23 were completed.
That's not what the communications said. They specifically say that all sections will be reopened and no previous company positions or agreements will be binding.
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Old 01-29-2023 | 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Baradium
I gave a reason this provision isn't actually a negative. You came back with a claim it is. I'm waiting for you to actually respond with something other "but I have reasons!"

In my category any trips that would be eligible for silver slips go as white slips.. There is zero negative to me to make trips that discourage senior pilots from white slipping after their 1st greenslip.
How can we assume this without the SS language and the explanation for how it can be used?
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Old 01-29-2023 | 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
How can we assume this without the SS language and the explanation for how it can be used?
We have language?
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Old 01-29-2023 | 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Baradium
Then silver slips are still not a negative. Thank you for agreeing with me
More company control is a negative.
Your best argument is your misunderstanding of a scenario where you thought SS would be issued and you now claim isn’t a negative because the SS that would be a negative wont be issued.
Meanwhile, in other categories SS will be issued to reduce premium pay to the pilot group.
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Old 01-29-2023 | 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Baradium
My belief is simply that they won't reduce premium pay. If they aren't used then they still aren't a concession.
And I’ve illustrated to you exactly how they will reduce premium pay when used. If they aren’t used they’re still a concession.
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Old 01-29-2023 | 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyingtank
More company control is a negative.
Your best argument is your misunderstanding of a scenario where you thought SS would be issued and you now claim isn’t a negative because the SS that would be a negative wont be issued.
Meanwhile, in other categories SS will be issued to reduce premium pay to the pilot group.
You keep saying this but you have yet to give a good explanation that actually shows this other than wild conjecture.

You keep saying SS would be a negative and then said that the company wouldn't issue them if there were junior pilots willing to greenslip. That means they won't reduce premium in those categories either since reducing greenslips is the entire point of the claim they would reduce premium pay.
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