Pro/Con Papers?
#571
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The company doesn’t have full control. They have a lot, but how does that justify giving them more?
The company could go IA or cancel flights. They don't because those options are more expensive.
They could staff appropriately, but they dont because that’s more expensive.
And yet you have this belief that the company will issue SS in scenarios where it would be equal or more expensive for them to do so.
The company could go IA or cancel flights. They don't because those options are more expensive.
They could staff appropriately, but they dont because that’s more expensive.
And yet you have this belief that the company will issue SS in scenarios where it would be equal or more expensive for them to do so.
I get called for an IA a few times every month.
Cancels generally show up as equipment swaps those happen all the time. I’m on the 765 we see a lot of ER and 330 trades both into 765 and from 765.
You think they won’t offer SS, but you think SS will take away GS. Pick a lane it can’t be both.
So many pilots don’t see the same angle as you. I think we all have listened and tried to see it. I know I did. If I saw the issue, I’d be right next to you shining light on what I perceived as a problem (see scope discussion). I don’t see the issue with SS. Good luck on your crusade
#572
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Then silver slips are still not a negative. Thank you for agreeing with me
#573
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The company doesn’t have full control. They have a lot, but how does that justify giving them more?
The company could go IA or cancel flights. They don't because those options are more expensive.
They could staff appropriately, but they dont because that’s more expensive.
And yet you have this belief that the company will issue SS in scenarios where it would be equal or more expensive for them to do so.
The company could go IA or cancel flights. They don't because those options are more expensive.
They could staff appropriately, but they dont because that’s more expensive.
And yet you have this belief that the company will issue SS in scenarios where it would be equal or more expensive for them to do so.
#574
Saying something is reality doesn't make it so.
Overall the TA adds a ton of premium, from reroutes to the very expensive and hard to use field standby (you can't actually be assigned a trip, just a turn or out and back overnight and day 2 pays a premium too). Even duty rigs are a bunch of premium.
This TA gives a lot of money and QOL incentives to the pilot group. That is reality.
Overall the TA adds a ton of premium, from reroutes to the very expensive and hard to use field standby (you can't actually be assigned a trip, just a turn or out and back overnight and day 2 pays a premium too). Even duty rigs are a bunch of premium.
This TA gives a lot of money and QOL incentives to the pilot group. That is reality.
#575
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From: 737 FO
That's not what the communications said. They specifically say that all sections will be reopened and no previous company positions or agreements will be binding.
#576
I gave a reason this provision isn't actually a negative. You came back with a claim it is. I'm waiting for you to actually respond with something other "but I have reasons!"
In my category any trips that would be eligible for silver slips go as white slips.. There is zero negative to me to make trips that discourage senior pilots from white slipping after their 1st greenslip.
In my category any trips that would be eligible for silver slips go as white slips.. There is zero negative to me to make trips that discourage senior pilots from white slipping after their 1st greenslip.
#578
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Your best argument is your misunderstanding of a scenario where you thought SS would be issued and you now claim isn’t a negative because the SS that would be a negative wont be issued.
Meanwhile, in other categories SS will be issued to reduce premium pay to the pilot group.
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#580
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From: 737 FO
More company control is a negative.
Your best argument is your misunderstanding of a scenario where you thought SS would be issued and you now claim isn’t a negative because the SS that would be a negative wont be issued.
Meanwhile, in other categories SS will be issued to reduce premium pay to the pilot group.
Your best argument is your misunderstanding of a scenario where you thought SS would be issued and you now claim isn’t a negative because the SS that would be a negative wont be issued.
Meanwhile, in other categories SS will be issued to reduce premium pay to the pilot group.
You keep saying SS would be a negative and then said that the company wouldn't issue them if there were junior pilots willing to greenslip. That means they won't reduce premium in those categories either since reducing greenslips is the entire point of the claim they would reduce premium pay.
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