This post may help some keep this contract in perspective. As a long term disabled Delta pilot I received one benefit that I am aware of from this contract. An 18% increase in my life insurance policy. Unfortunately, there is a good chance that my estate will collect on this policy.

I doubt the executives on Mahogany Row are that excited now that they see they put way too many shiny pieces of silver on the table to get this contract passed. A 78% ratification vote with ALPA forfeiting half their negotiating goals, then tucking their tails and running from RDU will if anything illustrate they gave too much of executive bonus money to the pilots. While Junior may be giddy with this contract TODAY they will not be so happy when they are still working under it 10 years from now, all because of the devastating precedents enshrined in this agreement. Management will remember the lessons of this negotiation far in to the future and if anyone thinks they slow-rolled this contract, you haven’t seen nothing yet. Fortunately I’ll be gone by then. ALPA’s epic failure of allowing devastating negotiating precedents will forever change the company’s contact strategies for the entire career of everyone on the seniority list today.

I'll bet you my not retro check we aren't working under this unamended contract 10 years from now.

Yep. Amazing how some of the top 5% of wage earners in America can feel so repressed.

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Damn, I hope they don't have to collect on it. Wishing you better health in the future.

What they posted regarding the raises is literally fact, not opinion.

I would absolutely love to do better.

But when a pilot group that’s supposed to be the industry leader gives away a huge chunk of what they’re owed in retro, and accepts rates that fail to capitalize on the current pilot market, you kinda showed your lack of self worth and in the process hamstrung everyone else.

Just for laughs, take the retro you gave away and multiply it across the pilot group. That number alone makes a fantastic pay day for the executives and FordHarrison.

But really, bless your heart and congratulations.

You’re probably right. About every ten years, this industry sees a major Black Swan event and the company will furlough and come for concessions. Based on the mettle this MEC has shown, they would sign right up for pay cuts. I’m not sure what the Black Swan will look like, rest assured there’s one out there in the future. Good Luck.

Just for laughs look at what United and American brought to the table in 2022. Thank goodness those agreements didn’t see the light of day. Talk about getting hamstrung.

Bleeders out in force today.

It's over, wipe away your tears with your not retro, retro money. If you are still around next contract cycle, I look forward to your arguments for another no vote.

This contract sets a solid foundation. If we’re smart, we’ll follow sailing’s advice and get incremental gains that are on time.

I'd love for you to do better as well. There are many moving parts in these negotiations. Pattern bargaining being a reality of recent history I'm quite glad that APA BOD and the UA pilot group turned down their deals (which were far below this ratified PWA) and that we produced this before they had their second round of proposals (which were also shown to be far below this contract). Where you view the bar really depends on which point in history you choose it to have been set, and fair enough if you think this deal fell short of your bar. All of that being said, it's in poor taste to come wagging your finger at another pilot group for setting a new industry standard below your liking when yours has failed time and time again to raise it at all. I'm rooting for SWAPA to come out with a deal so great that everyone at DALPA regrets not including you in our "me too" clause.

How about instead of chastising the income, you thank them for their tax payments?

Now you've moved the goal post on your own bad argument.

it’s amazing how some people thinly veil their desire to see others experience pain.

...without concessions.

Absolutely

With what leverage? DALPA just flushed it all down the toilet. Never since CY2000 did DALPA have so much leverage in a negotiation, and they flushed it, ALL of it. The company has zero incentives to agree to any incremental gains and DALPA has clearly demonstrated they don’t have “the stones” to fight.

Well said…thank you!

There’s not one pilot of 15,000+ who only got an 18% raise in compensation. Truly - not a single one. If that’s the math you need to perpetuate in order to prop up an argument, it’s rather telling about the merits of that argument.

The 717/7ER and 350 enter the chat

18% in pay rates, where's the additional? 8/31/23 maybe or will it be better trips. VAC takes effect next year. Can you quantify a percentage more pay?

Do you have any insight/information as to how the AmEx deal works? If I read that chart correctly form the Investors briefing, we are expecting to make $7B+ in 2024 going forward from AmEx alone. How in the hell does a freaking credit card translate to DAL's bottom line in that kind of number?

And as an aside, it blows my mind that anyone would pay to have a credit card.

Jeez man, sorry our pilot group hasn’t done more for you over the past 22 years. (22 years being the last time I remember a different pilot group doing the heavy lifting for the industry…UAL 2000-2001)

...73N logged into the chat but doesn't comment so as not to be noticed for being late, again.

One more thing, DALPA is no more "supposed" to be in charge of leading the industry in pilot compensation than SWAPA. Nowhere in the RLA does it say that Delta Pilots shall be the standard in pilot contracts. Don't sell yourself short and be that change you want to see.

I can thank myself?

Not one passenger airline has done anything even remotely close to the DAL pilot group’s contract. United and American were downright embarrassing, Alaska thinks management is still coming home from the bar with them and SWAPA is walking out of kool aid events. Please, hang up and try again.

A lot of it is about prestige, ego and middleman transactions. Never underestimate the human ability to perceive oneself as better than X. Or their willingness to pay the society to affirm it. A few years ago it was evident that Delta was out performing all of AMEX's other business by a wide margin. That had a lot to do with business travelers so the timing on the revaluation of Delta as a partner couldn't have been better. They got an increase in the percentage of CC business. As for the nuts and bolts, presales of skymiles and CC usage drives the money in. Most sales now include a hidden percentage for the credit card middlemen. This is why the mom and pop shops give a cash discount or charge a transaction fee for CCs. Multiply that over our customer base and all the purchasing they do with the Delta branded card and the numbers get big quick. At one time the Delta credit card was the most used CC available. I don't know if it still is.

Is there a document that outlines the implementation schedule?

Ditto,

-The Tumi TA Toddler supporters of the former UALMEC

Yes there is.

Congrats Delta on raising the bar for all of us! Enjoy your gains!

Some new profiles being created to **** on the TA. I guess the heads exploding on chitchat are spilling over to here.

nope, it’s all a mystery

I hope that was sarcasm as it's in MOU23-01.

I thought it was even worse than a concession. It was a third rail we would never touch. Virtually every poster on here said no contract ever without full retro! I posted here in late 2019 that time was the companies friend and they would let it work it’s wonders and we would never see full retro. That’s exactly what happened. For all of 2020 we got a 4% non compounding bonus that didn’t cover inflation. A entire year that cost the company 150 million. Funny how everyone on here blasted me for saying 1 billion in the first year was reasonable. You screamed 1 billion was woefully inadequate and voted to take a 1 time 150 million payment.
There is another large concession which is a 4 year contract. In TA2 even the union admitted the 4th year was a concession. We now over a certain 7 year period and probably 9 or 10 year period managed only 1 bite of the apple.

Where can I find that?

Where's the "Hats On" memo? I'll just wear mine on the next rotation, as that's the logical extension of the original ALPA guidance. Made it through the season with the double-breasted beast still in plastic from the cleaner's, so I'm prepared to pay the piper in one form or another.