Originally Posted by Dummi (Post 3600146)

Where can I find that?

Originally Posted by RJSAviator76 (Post 3599995)

This right here tells me all I need to know. I'm genuinely happy for you. May you continue to reap the fruits of your heroic efforts...

And a hearty congratulations again to Delta Air Lines executives and FordHarrison on another very successful conclusion of contract negotiations.

Originally Posted by Dummi (Post 3600146)

Where can I find that?

Originally Posted by IPAs (Post 3600027)

This post may help some keep this contract in perspective. As a long term disabled Delta pilot I received one benefit that I am aware of from this contract. An 18% increase in my life insurance policy. Unfortunately, there is a good chance that my estate will collect on this policy.

Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 3599893)

Thanks for doing the heavy lifting.
-APA

Originally Posted by RJSAviator76 (Post 3600036)

I would absolutely love to do better.

But when a pilot group that’s supposed to be the industry leader gives away a huge chunk of what they’re owed in retro, and accepts rates that fail to capitalize on the current pilot market, you kinda showed your lack of self worth and in the process hamstrung everyone else.

Just for laughs, take the retro you gave away and multiply it across the pilot group. That number alone makes a fantastic pay day for the executives and FordHarrison.

But really, bless your heart and congratulations.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3600144)

I thought it was even worse than a concession. It was a third rail we would never touch. Virtually every poster on here said no contract ever without full retro! I posted here in late 2019 that time was the companies friend and they would let it work it’s wonders and we would never see full retro. That’s exactly what happened. For all of 2020 we got a 4% non compounding bonus that didn’t cover inflation. A entire year that cost the company 150 million. Funny how everyone on here blasted me for saying 1 billion in the first year was reasonable. You screamed 1 billion was woefully inadequate and voted to take a 1 time 150 million payment.
There is another large concession which is a 4 year contract. In TA2 even the union admitted the 4th year was a concession. We now over a certain 7 year period and probably 9 or 10 year period managed only 1 bite of the apple.

Originally Posted by RJSAviator76 (Post 3600036)

But when a pilot group that’s supposed to be the industry leader gives away a huge chunk of what they’re owed in retro, and accepts rates that fail to capitalize on the current pilot market, you kinda showed your lack of self worth and in the process hamstrung everyone else.

Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3600094)

18% in pay rates, where's the additional? 8/31/23 maybe or will it be better trips. VAC takes effect next year. Can you quantify a percentage more pay?

Originally Posted by Taildragger1 (Post 3599905)

Yeah. The concerted efforts to continually lie to FK the only pillar that was of any value to the Deadzoners was a tremendous success. Congratulations

The Deadzoners had plenty of time to be made whole

*Math or reality wasn’t your thing, huh?

The Deadzoners got to fly an extra 5 years

*Assuming I made up the 3.6 million, annuitized value, of the stolen deferred compensation I worked 5 years for free. Yay!

I was stuck at the regionals too long and I blame the Deadzoners.

*We didn’t get a vote on that. Scope sucked for us too.

The pension was frozen, not stolen.

*Only true for a few North West guys. For everyone else, it was turned over to the PBGC. 12 cents on the dollar for me so there’s that.

You’ve had multiple contracts to fix it.

*Working for ALPA for most of the past 38 years, you have no idea of the corruption in place since the bankruptcy.

Just shut up and die you old fart.

*We’re all going there my friend.

I sincerely hope that after a few decades, some unforeseen event doesn’t take place to wipe out the 401k you think you’re saving only to be told by the next generation that you should have planned better. Now go die please.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 3600199)

The strange thing is, the GenX'ers are so used to "two jobs, something's on fire, the kid's sick and my mom just fell down the stairs" that being a junior captain on a narrowbody at age 55 seems like something to be thankful for.

Originally Posted by PapaMike (Post 3600217)

4
0
9.6
3.5
5
4
4

...yay 4.2 compounded raises.

Less than 4 when you factor in the lost DC for 3 years.

Originally Posted by phoenixc130 (Post 3600209)

Does anyone remember how many weeks it took to receive the retro check in 2016?

Originally Posted by Dummi (Post 3600146)

Where can I find that?

Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 3600222)

Page 524 of the TA document.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3600144)

There is another large concession which is a 4 year contract. In TA2 even the union admitted the 4th year was a concession. We now over a certain 7 year period and probably 9 or 10 year period managed only 1 bite of the apple.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 3600199)

Who got it the worst can be demonstrated mathematically - pretty easily. The strange thing is, the GenX'ers are so used to "two jobs, something's on fire, the kid's sick and my mom just fell down the stairs" that being a junior captain on a narrowbody at age 55 seems like something to be thankful for.

Originally Posted by PapaMike (Post 3600217)

4
0
9.6
3.5
5
4
4

...yay 4.2 compounded raises.

Less than 4 when you factor in the lost DC for 3 years.

Originally Posted by Crown (Post 3600183)

sorry, can't hear you over my stacks of money. Let me know when you get a raise. Then you can talk to me.

Originally Posted by m3113n1a1 (Post 3600232)

Now he's going to ask "where do I find the TA?"

Originally Posted by All 5 Stages (Post 3600235)

To me, this was one of the biggest disappointments in C2019. In the context of 40-year high inflation and a bunch of new trinkets in the contract about which we are unsure of the effects, a 4-year contract seems very beneficial to management, and detrimental towards labor.

Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of much needed contract improvements in C2019, but this item was unexpected to say the least.

A5S

Originally Posted by Dummi (Post 3600119)

Is there a document that outlines the implementation schedule?

Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 3599932)

really.... this could be interesting to dissect/debate. There was no pay increase for over 4 years. I'll bet management would give you 18% all day long and twice on Sunday every 4 years. You see 18% at one shot, but make no mistake, that IS a concession. Many on here don't see it that way because you are still getting annual raises. The 4,4,14 were a concession vis a vis retro pay. They were signing bonuses. I haven't done the math but I will bet they barely equaled what profit sharing would have been had the plandemic not occurred. When the next black swan arrives, if the majority of the group is at 12+, you will realize that what I am saying is the truth. The next swan will not include the mechanism for UNA. There will be furloughs, there will be displacements, and there will be stagnation. Anyone wanna make a wager on that?

Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 3600259)

I hope the MEC can use this opportunity to transition to more targeted LOAs to fix problems instead of wallowing in terrible language from amendable date to amenable date. The Covid LOAs set a great precedent and I hope it continues now that section 6 is over.

Originally Posted by m3113n1a1 (Post 3600232)

Now he's going to ask "where do I find the TA?"

Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 3600222)

Page 524 of the TA document.

Originally Posted by Dummi (Post 3600284)

No, I was using the search function on the contract website, thinking I’d find a separate document. I didn’t realize it was baked into the contract itself in a nicely presented format.

Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 3600293)

Just out of curiosity, how did you evaluate this contract without knowing when things were going to be implemented? Did you think all of these would happen... well... today? I honestly wonder if there is anything that could have changed you to a no vote had you known it was going to not be implemented until the end of this agreement... What if it would have said we were going to get retro pay back to Jan 1, but we wouldn't get paid until Aug 31?

Originally Posted by Dummi (Post 3600296)

I was aware there was an implementation timeline. Just didn’t know of there was an easy document that was produced to reference all the scheduled dates.

Also, I’m new. This is my “second job”, and I’m mostly here for the fun of it. You have quite the tone, I was simply asking a question.

Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 3600306)

For a lot of guys here, this is more than a hobby job as it seems to be with you. I'm happy for you that you can be so cavalier about it.

Originally Posted by Dummi (Post 3600311)

Well, you asked.

I’ve worked hard to make it my hobby. And yes, I do feel fortunate.

Again, I’ve found my answer. Was just looking for a one stop shop for a timeline. This is the internet. Chill.
Chaff flare

Originally Posted by overqualified52 (Post 3600282)

Yes, please Delta Alpa , get PS to and from home back again for Delta and 9E.

Originally Posted by Vsop (Post 3600340)

You either lack SA or are trolling by asking where to find major details about the contract/TA right after voting closes. Then you’re shocked by the responses calling out that lack of SA or trolling?

I’m curious what your previous career was.

Originally Posted by hvydvr (Post 3600153)

I would imagine you have your own strike vote to worry about chief. Why don’t the professionals at SWAPA show us surrender monkeys how it’s done. We look forward to your results.

Originally Posted by Dummi (Post 3600296)

I was aware there was an implementation timeline. Just didn’t know of there was an easy document that was produced to reference all the scheduled dates.

Also, I’m new. This is my “second job”, and I’m mostly here for the fun of it. You have quite the tone, I was simply asking a question.