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Old 03-15-2023 | 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by BCan
I’ve decided if I’m denied boarding, my technique will be;

1) immediately post on flight family (for all to see) that I was denied boarding. Post flights affected by my missed DH and that I’m contacting crew tracking.
2) contact crew tracking for re-booking.

I think gate agents would get the memo very quickly if this is a common technique.
thats going to work great when you’re denied your boarding priority, not boarding entirely.

FCR it and move on
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Old 03-15-2023 | 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
thats going to work great when you’re denied your boarding priority, not boarding entirely.

FCR it and move on
LoL

Yeah right. FCR it it. You must be relatively new to Delta.

Um hmm, that'll work (sarc). Do you really know what they do with our FCR's ?? Give you a hint; looks like a doughnut, rhymes with scoop (no offense meant to a mod).

Obvious you don't DH out of the ATL often.
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Old 03-15-2023 | 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo
LoL

Yeah right. FCR it it. You must be relatively new to Delta.

Um hmm, that'll work (sarc). Do you really know what they do with our FCR's ?? Give you a hint; looks like a doughnut, rhymes with scoop (no offense meant to a mod).

Obvious you don't DH out of the ATL often.
the FCR is going to get a lot further than they hypothetical tantrum I quoted.
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Old 03-18-2023 | 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by crazyjaydawg
I was lucky enough to get into a “spirited” conversation with a gate agent last week over this. Fortunately there was a red coat at the podium that informed the rude gate agent of her ignorance.

Just because it’s in the PWA now, doesn’t mean that the company decided to tell ACS.
There was a memo sent out after our TA passed informing the ACS agents about it.. now did they read it? Who knows.
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Old 03-18-2023 | 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by iaflyer
There was a memo sent out after our TA passed informing the ACS agents about it.. now did they read it? Who knows.
I bet the ACS reading percentage is the same as pilots reading JL emails.
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Old 03-20-2023 | 09:39 AM
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I’ll just throw this here since it seems like a good spot. Under the new contract I would have made 600$ extra last night for the extra time in the day (not implemented yet).

Now with that being said I think captains need to start thinking really hard about extending. I can see clueless captains pushing FOs to keep going so they can get paid extra.

If I’m reading this scenario wrong my bad, but I’m suddenly worried about the safety implications of paying people extra to fly longer when they are tired. Could creat conflict on the flight deck as well. Food for thought.

For me going forward, as a captain I’m going to give zero indications of where I lie. I will make sure the FO answers first without any of my bias involved. And if I feel like we need a break, then I’m going to pull the plug on our operation regardless of what they want (obviously this stands now no matter what, just highlighting that you may not be getting the real story from the FO). My 2cents
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Old 03-20-2023 | 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Hubcapped
I’ll just throw this here since it seems like a good spot. Under the new contract I would have made 600$ extra last night for the extra time in the day (not implemented yet).

Now with that being said I think captains need to start thinking really hard about extending. I can see clueless captains pushing FOs to keep going so they can get paid extra.

If I’m reading this scenario wrong my bad, but I’m suddenly worried about the safety implications of paying people extra to fly longer when they are tired. Could creat conflict on the flight deck as well. Food for thought.

For me going forward, as a captain I’m going to give zero indications of where I lie. I will make sure the FO answers first without any of my bias involved. And if I feel like we need a break, then I’m going to pull the plug on our operation regardless of what they want (obviously this stands now no matter what, just highlighting that you may not be getting the real story from the FO). My 2cents
I know some FOs might be pushed, but it needs to be emphasized that the CA has absolutely ZERO say on another pilot's fitness for duty. I had to remind a captain awhile ago that I would set my own rest and ready time with the duty pilot.
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Old 03-20-2023 | 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Hubcapped
I’ll just throw this here since it seems like a good spot. Under the new contract I would have made 600$ extra last night for the extra time in the day (not implemented yet).

Now with that being said I think captains need to start thinking really hard about extending. I can see clueless captains pushing FOs to keep going so they can get paid extra.

If I’m reading this scenario wrong my bad, but I’m suddenly worried about the safety implications of paying people extra to fly longer when they are tired. Could creat conflict on the flight deck as well. Food for thought.

For me going forward, as a captain I’m going to give zero indications of where I lie. I will make sure the FO answers first without any of my bias involved. And if I feel like we need a break, then I’m going to pull the plug on our operation regardless of what they want (obviously this stands now no matter what, just highlighting that you may not be getting the real story from the FO). My 2cents
Yep. Absolutely no money hungry FO’s out there who would now be incentivized to strongly suggest to the captain to extend.

I’m hearing your premise but let’s not pretend FO’s don’t push too.
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Old 03-20-2023 | 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by CoefficientX
Yep. Absolutely no money hungry FO’s out there who would now be incentivized to strongly suggest to the captain to extend.

I’m hearing your premise but let’s not pretend FO’s don’t push too.
Huh? How did you infer that I’m “pretending FOs don’t push too”?

Captain is the ultimate authority. It’s good to ponder these scenarios. I don’t mention FOs because any good captain wouldn’t give 2 sh1ts what an FO thinks about his ability to continue if the captain doesn’t feel like it’s the safe thing. This food for thought is meant for captains since, you know, they are in charge.

If anyone thinks a probie new hire might not keep going because a captain wants some extra cheddar is delusional
Some people on here just want conflict in every thread lol
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Old 03-20-2023 | 01:56 PM
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It’s an individual decision.
captains opinion has no influence ….
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