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Old 03-01-2023 | 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
You have a lot of bad information and are being intentionally obtuse. They didn't sign a 0 0 0 18. They signed a 4, 0, 10, 4. With all those retirees that retired last year and in 2020 getting their raise as well. And there are improvements this year. There are improvements starting tomorrow and pretty much every month or two through the end of the year. You can be mad that it didn't meet your expectations but you cannot be mad that there are concessions.
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Old 03-01-2023 | 09:09 AM
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This post may help some keep this contract in perspective. As a long term disabled Delta pilot I received one benefit that I am aware of from this contract. An 18% increase in my life insurance policy. Unfortunately, there is a good chance that my estate will collect on this policy.
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Old 03-01-2023 | 09:09 AM
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I doubt the executives on Mahogany Row are that excited now that they see they put way too many shiny pieces of silver on the table to get this contract passed. A 78% ratification vote with ALPA forfeiting half their negotiating goals, then tucking their tails and running from RDU will if anything illustrate they gave too much of executive bonus money to the pilots. While Junior may be giddy with this contract TODAY they will not be so happy when they are still working under it 10 years from now, all because of the devastating precedents enshrined in this agreement. Management will remember the lessons of this negotiation far in to the future and if anyone thinks they slow-rolled this contract, you haven’t seen nothing yet. Fortunately I’ll be gone by then. ALPA’s epic failure of allowing devastating negotiating precedents will forever change the company’s contact strategies for the entire career of everyone on the seniority list today.
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Old 03-01-2023 | 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by D0zing4Dollars
I doubt the executives on Mahogany Row are that excited now that they see they put way too many shiny pieces of silver on the table to get this contract passed. A 78% ratification vote with ALPA forfeiting half their negotiating goals, then tucking their tails and running from RDU will if anything illustrate they gave too much of executive bonus money to the pilots. While Junior may be giddy with this contract TODAY they will not be so happy when they are still working under it 10 years from now, all because of the devastating precedents enshrined in this agreement. Management will remember the lessons of this negotiation far in to the future and if anyone thinks they slow-rolled this contract, you haven’t seen nothing yet. Fortunately I’ll be gone by then. ALPA’s epic failure of allowing devastating negotiating precedents will forever change the company’s contact strategies for the entire career of everyone on the seniority list today.
I'll bet you my not retro check we aren't working under this unamended contract 10 years from now.
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Old 03-01-2023 | 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
My God, can we please move on?

It's over.
Yep. Amazing how some of the top 5% of wage earners in America can feel so repressed.

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Old 03-01-2023 | 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by IPAs
This post may help some keep this contract in perspective. As a long term disabled Delta pilot I received one benefit that I am aware of from this contract. An 18% increase in my life insurance policy. Unfortunately, there is a good chance that my estate will collect on this policy.
Damn, I hope they don't have to collect on it. Wishing you better health in the future.
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Old 03-01-2023 | 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
What they posted regarding the raises is literally fact, not opinion.
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Old 03-01-2023 | 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by myrkridia
Let's see you do better instead of casting stones.
I would absolutely love to do better.

But when a pilot group that’s supposed to be the industry leader gives away a huge chunk of what they’re owed in retro, and accepts rates that fail to capitalize on the current pilot market, you kinda showed your lack of self worth and in the process hamstrung everyone else.

Just for laughs, take the retro you gave away and multiply it across the pilot group. That number alone makes a fantastic pay day for the executives and FordHarrison.

But really, bless your heart and congratulations.
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Old 03-01-2023 | 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
I'll bet you my not retro check we aren't working under this unamended contract 10 years from now.
You’re probably right. About every ten years, this industry sees a major Black Swan event and the company will furlough and come for concessions. Based on the mettle this MEC has shown, they would sign right up for pay cuts. I’m not sure what the Black Swan will look like, rest assured there’s one out there in the future. Good Luck.
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Old 03-01-2023 | 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
I would absolutely love to do better.

But when a pilot group that’s supposed to be the industry leader gives away a huge chunk of what they’re owed in retro, and accepts rates that fail to capitalize on the current pilot market, you kinda showed your lack of self worth and in the process hamstrung everyone else.

Just for laughs, take the retro you gave away and multiply it across the pilot group. That number alone makes a fantastic pay day for the executives and FordHarrison.

But really, bless your heart and congratulations.
Just for laughs look at what United and American brought to the table in 2022. Thank goodness those agreements didn’t see the light of day. Talk about getting hamstrung.
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