PilotBases

Propel guys actually have to pass a delta interview, flow guys don’t. Why should they have to wait behind flows?

gloopy

I'm of the opinion that many more years of successfully and safely flying Delta pax and often Delta owned jets in the Delta system is vastly superior to an interview.

No matter what an airline does, it's going to have its "one percenters". One day in a suit several years ago IMO doesn't legitimatly screen someone any better than several years of actually doing that job for that company.

I've seen nothing but high quality and great attitudes from every Endeavor (and Compass and Mesaba) flow that I've met. Are there a few who may have some issues or attitudes? Statistically, yeah probably, and I don't refute that possibility. Likewise, are there a few in the other pathway annointed by an "interview" who years later show issues or attitude? Again, statistically that's just as likely. When some isolated examples of that pathway are highlighted, does it invalidate the entire group? Of course not. Neither then should a (very, very) few "bad apples" invalidate those spending years grinding away at our regionals.

Its a lot easier to fake it for a day trying to get the job than to fake it for years actually doing the job.

three1five

This is a good point, but the interview occurs without any professional flying experience, if any flying experience at all. The propel interview is an interview administered by Delta, but it’s not the “Delta interview” an OTS or military candidate would receive. Again, this doesn’t make propel candidates bad or worthy of criticism themselves. It’s a good deal for them, a good deal that other peers don’t have.

flyforever1978

HA! I remember driving to Lake Mary to get groceries at that Publix because it was higher class than Sanford!! I agree, the pool was awesome, but my roommate was a complete lunatic, so my memories are tainted!

The fact that many at Delta still think the academy had anything to do with Comair the airline is pretty funny actually. Almost as funny as the NWA guys who had zero idea who was flying all those CRJ's in Detroit for them... perspective I guess.

CGfalconHerc

Comair is cancer. I will not allow any martyrdom for them..or their academy..regardless of how much money Delta spent on them. Triggered..yes..burn them down.

LAXtoDEN

The Delta Propel interview is similar to an interview at your nearest Burger King. You sit down at a table and have a normal conversation with a pilot recruiter for about 30 mins. It specifically benefits the candidates who are dumb as rocks as they’d never get through upgrade training at a regional let alone the assessment Delta currently sends their potential candidates.

The biggest hurdle is they have to pass their regional initial training LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. Most don’t even upgrade. I think you have to pass upgrade to flow. That’s why it takes longer to flow.

They shouldn’t have to wait for flows, we shouldn’t even have flow. We shouldn’t have Endeavor because Delta flying should be done by Delta pilots.

Propel is a joke designed to get the children of Delta pilots in the easy way and so is the Endeavor flow. Why are we arguing over the legitimacy of these joke programs anyway.

overqualified52

I think frontier has a program in which they hire kids and put them into the right seat of the 320 directly after they achieve their 1500 hours instructing in a 172 , Cherokee or whatever they are instructing in . I think Frontier’s reasoning is that it’s actually harder to fly the RJ9 than the 320 ,so might as well just bring the pilots on as soon as they get their 1500 hours. Delta could probably do that with propels and just throw them on the 717, 220, or 320 right out of instructing . It seems to work at Frontier and no one has bent any metal yet . Would it be fair to Endeavor pilots ? Of course not. Would it be the safest thing to do ? Probably no less safe than jumping into the right seat of an RJ9 with 1500 hours in a 172. I think the way the program is now is that Delta secretly ( so nobody knows who they are) sends the propels to Endeavor for a year or so to get their experience and then they cut over to Delta ahead of the majority of Endeavor seniority list.

overqualified52

The Endeavor flow is not an”easy” way to get to Delta , LOL. So you are telling me that spending 20 to 30 years flying Metros, Fokkers, Dash 8’s, Saabs, 4 engine Jet AVRO’s , RJ 200’s, 700’s and 900’s with 30,000 hours is an “easy” way to get to Delta? You been breathing in too much smoke from the peace pipe, LOL. Now I realize as time goes by that the pilots on the flow get more junior ,but they still spent their dues flying wholly owned metal , flying Delta passengers and being payed by Delta. There is no comparison from the flow to propel . I agree with the decree of Jason Ambrosi. Time will tell if that will ever happen but the last few years have certainly eroded the old regional model to near extinction.

Tropical

I know someone who got hired as an endeavor street captain, and they were told that it's 2.5 years to flow to Delta.

Just because you turned it down doesn't mean it's bad.

Congrats on your 30,000 hours at the commuters. However, I don't think most of us see that as the badge of honor that you think it is.

TNDeltaFlyboy

Just stop. You know nothing of the Propel interview or even the selection process for that matter. The truth of the matter is, it's working as designed to capture the highly motivated young people who want to be at Delta. We're "arguing" over these programs because people like you pretend to know everything about them yet you are as "dumb as rocks" as you claim Propel folks are.

Propel isn't the easiest way to Delta and the scrutiny they are under for much longer than just about anyone else hired OTS proves that.