OE trip drops
03-28-2023, 03:56 AM
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OE trip drops
We need to codify this in the contract. Sometimes you get released the night prior (random times), sometimes they make you report, then release you, etc. The worst is when it’s a partial trip buy, and they make you report for original time, then release you so you can go home, only to have to come back next day. As a commuter, it would be better to fly the trip as is instead of doing that. This all seems to be at the scheduler’s discretion. The process is very frustrating.
03-28-2023, 04:11 AM
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To build on this, are we ever given a “formal” release by scheduling? I’ve shown up to the gate to have the captain tell me that I’m released from a turn only to have to wait 6 hours to pick up the last leg of the day. I’ve had legs disappear overnight. And I’ve had legs disappear day off. And I’ve never been contacted by anybody. Just noticed that the legs disappeared from my schedule.
03-28-2023, 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
We need to codify this in the contract. Sometimes you get released the night prior (random times), sometimes they make you report, then release you, etc. The worst is when it’s a partial trip buy, and they make you report for original time, then release you so you can go home, only to have to come back next day. As a commuter, it would be better to fly the trip as is instead of doing that. This all seems to be at the scheduler’s discretion. The process is very frustrating.
03-28-2023, 04:22 AM
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Be careful what you ask for…you crack open that Pandora’s box and there’s no telling where we end up. What senior FOs enjoy now is an incredibly good deal. On the other hand, make this a not-so-great deal and they won’t have any trouble getting those senior FOs to upgrade.
03-28-2023, 04:28 AM
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When I bid IOE trips, I noticed when really short staffed they always released you the evening prior. Otherwise, it was 50/50 with "we never received your paperwork for this trip". ALPA had no interest in fixing this issue, I asked them. I figure at some point soon they will just require all FO's to show for the trip, and then be released by the LCA. Also, 23.G .5 specifies exactly who can release FO's and it is not scheduling. It's the LCP, but they are told not to release FO's, and it is a scheduling responsibility.
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03-28-2023, 05:43 AM
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It's been my experience that scheduling calls the night before to release you about 90% of the time. Sometimes, but not often, I've also gotten a call from the LCA releasing me. Only once was I required to go to the airpoet before being released and I *believe* that is a LCP vs LVP thing. If I don't get a call by 7 or 8pm base time the night before a trip with training on it, I have just called scheduling and been released with no problem. This has been my experience for full trip drops. Partial trip drops are a bit more inconsistent.
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03-28-2023, 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by freezingflyboy
It's been my experience that scheduling calls the night before to release you about 90% of the time. Sometimes, but not often, I've also gotten a call from the LCA releasing me. Only once was I required to go to the airpoet before being released and I *believe* that is a LCP vs LVP thing. If I don't get a call by 7 or 8pm base time the night before a trip with training on it, I have just called scheduling and been released with no problem. This has been my experience for full trip drops. Partial trip drops are a bit more inconsistent.
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03-28-2023, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by 3 green
When I bid IOE trips, I noticed when really short staffed they always released you the evening prior. Otherwise, it was 50/50 with "we never received your paperwork for this trip". ALPA had no interest in fixing this issue, I asked them. I figure at some point soon they will just require all FO's to show for the trip, and then be released by the LCA. Also, 23.G .5 specifies exactly who can release FO's and it is not scheduling. It's the LCP, but they are told not to release FO's, and it is a scheduling responsibility.
Second point, 23.G.2 says “the company may remove a pilot from a rotation or portion thereof.” So, yes, scheduling can release you.
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