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05-01-2023 | 11:47 AM
#21
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No, DFW was not larger than ATL post 9/11. That may be one of the single dumbest things I've ever read here. I mean, did that statement just manifest itself out of the ether? The rest of the rant/post wasn't much better or more factual either.
05-01-2023 | 02:44 PM
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Laughable. I wish I could get “punished” more often for things that are good for the pilot group!
If a new base is cost-effective (or more accurately they BELIEVE it will be), they’ll open it in a heartbeat. Ain’t no pilot antagonist trying to punish pilots, as much as management does indeed despise our membership.
If a new base is cost-effective (or more accurately they BELIEVE it will be), they’ll open it in a heartbeat. Ain’t no pilot antagonist trying to punish pilots, as much as management does indeed despise our membership.
05-01-2023 | 02:58 PM
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Honest question: Why does ATL get 2x the MEC votes, I assume it's because it's the largest base, but where is the line drawn?
If NYC was 2,500 pilots and ATL 4,500 and new base X (BOS) is 500 pilots, NYC is far closer to ATL in size but gets the same votes as BOS, CVG, BFE, etc. At what point does ATL "lose" the 2nd set of reps, or how big does NYC have to grow to get a second set.
It's probably buried somewhere in the contract or ALPA policy manual but I am on the road (non work) and don't have my tablet with all the easily searchble stuff.
If NYC was 2,500 pilots and ATL 4,500 and new base X (BOS) is 500 pilots, NYC is far closer to ATL in size but gets the same votes as BOS, CVG, BFE, etc. At what point does ATL "lose" the 2nd set of reps, or how big does NYC have to grow to get a second set.
It's probably buried somewhere in the contract or ALPA policy manual but I am on the road (non work) and don't have my tablet with all the easily searchble stuff.
If anything, ATL needs MORE voting reps, not less.
Besides, when it comes down to a “roll call” vote, which any rep can call, it comes down to the number of constituents anyway.
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05-01-2023 | 03:09 PM
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Honest question: Why does ATL get 2x the MEC votes, I assume it's because it's the largest base, but where is the line drawn?
If NYC was 2,500 pilots and ATL 4,500 and new base X (BOS) is 500 pilots, NYC is far closer to ATL in size but gets the same votes as BOS, CVG, BFE, etc. At what point does ATL "lose" the 2nd set of reps, or how big does NYC have to grow to get a second set.
It's probably buried somewhere in the contract or ALPA policy manual but I am on the road (non work) and don't have my tablet with all the easily searchble stuff.
If NYC was 2,500 pilots and ATL 4,500 and new base X (BOS) is 500 pilots, NYC is far closer to ATL in size but gets the same votes as BOS, CVG, BFE, etc. At what point does ATL "lose" the 2nd set of reps, or how big does NYC have to grow to get a second set.
It's probably buried somewhere in the contract or ALPA policy manual but I am on the road (non work) and don't have my tablet with all the easily searchble stuff.
05-01-2023 | 03:26 PM
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Plus I can think of at least 3 other elections for MEC chair that was decided by one vote, so that’s hardly any kind of indicator.
05-01-2023 | 05:30 PM
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Actually it’s because they can’t get guys to upgrade to the left seat in their HCOL coastal bases so they opened up two new bases in LCOL areas with favorable taxes to incentivize people to upgrade.
But it is working as an applicant grab too, just look at the recent DL vs UA thread. The only reason that dude is considering UA over DL is the MCO base.
But it is working as an applicant grab too, just look at the recent DL vs UA thread. The only reason that dude is considering UA over DL is the MCO base.
05-01-2023 | 05:49 PM
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05-02-2023 | 11:11 AM
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I doubt it was larger than ATL like the poster claimed, but I think it was bigger than CVG. So the fact they closed DFW but left CVG as a skeleton would give credit to the idea that there were other reasons at play
05-02-2023 | 06:08 PM
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DAL's operation at DFW peaked at 35% of total airport traffic, just a hair under AAL when you consider there were other carriers; by 2004 it was down to 16%. When DFW was big, DAL in ATL was only A and B Concourse, and half of T or E (international moved from T to E). My point, they closed a major mid-country base to toss an MEC Chairman. Ask some of the saltier SLC pilots about DAL threatening to close SLC as well if the LEC didn't get onboard with concessions or the BK itself. The result of these actions and threats? The pilots VOTED YES to terminate their DB plan, that saved the company tens of billions going forward. You need an MEC Chair and a fearful LEC to pull off a stunt like that.
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