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JamesBond 05-22-2023 06:51 AM


Originally Posted by Puddytatt (Post 3639971)
Kind of ironic how all this IA stuff started immediately after we signed the PWA and left section 6. Almost like they knew it was a violation of the status quo.

Not ironic at all.

Just learn from it.

Meme In Command 05-22-2023 07:04 AM

What specific part of our new PWA leaves a loophole for this IA abuse that our previous contract didn't have?

Rooster435 05-22-2023 07:15 AM


Originally Posted by Meme In Command (Post 3639982)
What specific part of our new PWA leaves a loophole for this IA abuse that our previous contract didn't have?

There’s No loop hole it’s pretty clear in the new contract as it was in the old, Go read 23.M.7

Leaves it up to “scheduler judgement.”

I think the only argument we have is that the company isn’t pay protecting the passed over pilot without being prodded.

Meme In Command 05-22-2023 07:43 AM


Originally Posted by Rooster435 (Post 3639987)
There’s No loop hole it’s pretty clear in the new contract as it was in the old, Go read 23.M.7

Leaves it up to “scheduler judgement.”

I think the only argument we have is that the company isn’t pay protecting the passed over pilot without being prodded.

Are there any changes to 23.M.7 between this contract and the last one? Because as far as far as I understand there weren't any. So this premise then that what's causing the IA abuse is the new contract is incorrect correlation. So, my point to JB and Puddy: you made the claim, now present the evidence.

Buck Rogers 05-22-2023 07:53 AM


Originally Posted by Puddytatt (Post 3639971)
Kind of ironic how all this IA stuff started immediately after we signed the PWA and left section 6. Almost like they knew it was a violation of the status quo.

Puddy's point was that even if no changes in 23.M.7 they couldn't have been "abusing" IA during sec 6 because a good case could be made that it was a "status quo" violation. Now that Delta has a new PWA, the company can do with as please as far as interpretation of 23.M.7, and the only recourse ALPA has is a grievance.(but no status quo violation like during sec 6)

MrBojangles 05-22-2023 07:53 AM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 3639969)
you are gonna find out. Enjoy those 2 am GS call for which you are gonna be number 235 in line

hopefully they didn't change the quiet hours batches...even the ones like me most mad about batches said don't change that part of it, but ya know-they usually go too far one way or another so we will see

gloopy 05-22-2023 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 3639969)
you are gonna find out. Enjoy those 2 am GS call for which you are gonna be number 235 in line

Doesn't bother me one bit. If I put in a blanket "call me for anything anywhere anytime" request in a large understaffed category, I'm not a martyr when the phone rings for something someone else ends up getting.

Especially when I know I don't want the vast majority of things that come up then anyway.

I know how to silence the ringer as well as the vibrate function on my phone and only get a visual alert. Or just put it in airplane mode altogether.

Batch size violatiuons that pay out simply for your phone ringing when you put in a blanket request is something I can't wait to cost out and trade for enhancements to literally anything else in the PWA.

Puddytatt 05-22-2023 09:13 AM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 3639974)
Not ironic at all.

Just learn from it.

Sorry, I forgot to use my sarcasm font.

Meme In Command 05-22-2023 09:17 AM


Originally Posted by Puddytatt (Post 3640051)
Sorry, I forgot to use my sarcasm font.

Whoops, my point stands for JB then

JamesBond 05-22-2023 09:24 AM


Originally Posted by Meme In Command (Post 3640052)
Whoops, my point stands for JB then

Let's just see what happens. The evidence will them be self evident. If I'm FOS, then all will be well and the whining about batch sizes will disappear, right?


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