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interceptorpilo 05-18-2023 12:23 PM


Originally Posted by MrBojangles (Post 3638127)
when is ALPA going to do something about this BS? We never had inverse calls like this before these stupidly low batch sizes came into play. If ALPA would fix the problem and raise the batches then we wouldn't even be talking about IA's going out all the time or pilots calling scheduling to get IA calls out of order. The whole breakdown in the process is a problem yet to be addressed. We have huge categories now like the 7ER and 320 fleets with 600 pilots or so. There's no way to get through the list with a batch size of 1 or even 5.

Not our problem to solve. It is he company’s. They are the ones violating the contract not ALPA. ALPA could (and maybe should) go to the Company with a larger batch size offer in trade for something really good like positive space. But it would be better for the Company to come to ALPA with the larger batch size ask and then ALPA can better negotiate terms as the one being asked for the favor.

sailingfun 05-18-2023 12:33 PM


Originally Posted by MrBojangles (Post 3638127)
when is ALPA going to do something about this BS? We never had inverse calls like this before these stupidly low batch sizes came into play. If ALPA would fix the problem and raise the batches then we wouldn't even be talking about IA's going out all the time or pilots calling scheduling to get IA calls out of order. The whole breakdown in the process is a problem yet to be addressed. We have huge categories now like the 7ER and 320 fleets with 600 pilots or so. There's no way to get through the list with a batch size of 1 or even 5.

A few years back one of the biggest complaints was the company was using batch sizes that were too large. Pilots were tired of getting calls for trips they had no chance of being awarded. ALPA pushed the company to reduce the batch sizes. Might be hard to go back now and ask for a increase.

Xray678 05-18-2023 01:03 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3638160)
A few years back one of the biggest complaints was the company was using batch sizes that were too large. Pilots were tired of getting calls for trips they had no chance of being awarded. ALPA pushed the company to reduce the batch sizes. Might be hard to go back now and ask for a increase.

they went too far and created a problem. I don’t see any harm in fixing the problem. Batch sizes are too small now. Unlimited is probably too much. Something reasonable in the middle is not going to hurt anyone.

MrBojangles 05-18-2023 02:09 PM


Originally Posted by interceptorpilo (Post 3638158)
Not our problem to solve. It is he company’s. They are the ones violating the contract not ALPA. ALPA could (and maybe should) go to the Company with a larger batch size offer in trade for something really good like positive space. But it would be better for the Company to come to ALPA with the larger batch size ask and then ALPA can better negotiate terms as the one being asked for the favor.

The company isn't being harmed by this as much as we are. I've probably personally lost thousands because of this. I agree ALPA should have negotiated something in exchange during the contract, but they didn't.

Puddytatt 05-18-2023 03:26 PM


Originally Posted by MrBojangles (Post 3638189)
The company isn't being harmed by this as much as we are. I've probably personally lost thousands because of this. I agree ALPA should have negotiated something in exchange during the contract, but they didn't.

If someone calls them out on each IA and ACE's it, they are in effect triple paying for each trip they IA. Personally lost money as well, but as a pilot group, it's more wages being paid (or waiting 4 months to be paid as it were with ACE).

Gunfighter 05-18-2023 05:14 PM


Originally Posted by Tropical (Post 3638002)
Hoss beat me to it. You're NEVER required to answer the phone. Send the VRU to voicemail, check MiCrew, then accept the trip through notifications if its FAR and PWA legal. The less you talk to a scheduler, the better.

In the last decade, I've only spoken to a scheduler when I've called them.

Iceberg 05-18-2023 05:57 PM


Originally Posted by MrBojangles (Post 3638127)
when is ALPA going to do something about this BS? We never had inverse calls like this before these stupidly low batch sizes came into play. If ALPA would fix the problem and raise the batches then we wouldn't even be talking about IA's going out all the time or pilots calling scheduling to get IA calls out of order. The whole breakdown in the process is a problem yet to be addressed. We have huge categories now like the 7ER and 320 fleets with 600 pilots or so. There's no way to get through the list with a batch size of 1 or even 5.

Hot off the presses! (As of March 1). ARCOS batch size changes coming October 1 per the contract signed by both the company and ALPA.

20Fathoms 05-18-2023 06:05 PM


Originally Posted by Xray678 (Post 3638171)
they went too far and created a problem. I don’t see any harm in fixing the problem. Batch sizes are too small now. Unlimited is probably too much. Something reasonable in the middle is not going to hurt anyone.

That’s a pretty broad brush and a hard disagree. I’m in a tiny category and I live in base so small batch sizes don’t bother me. In fact the smaller the better. Know what would bother me? The phone ringing for a greenslip I have no chance of getting. Keep batch sizes where they are.

I’d be willing to entertain a percentile based batch size….if the company gave us a big enough quid. Until then not our problem to solve.

Whoopsmybad 05-18-2023 06:57 PM


Originally Posted by Xray678 (Post 3638171)
they went too far and created a problem. I don’t see any harm in fixing the problem. Batch sizes are too small now. Unlimited is probably too much. Something reasonable in the middle is not going to hurt anyone.

small point, we asked for the “too far” and got it with a COVID LOA driving the current sizes.

MrBojangles 05-18-2023 07:21 PM


Originally Posted by Iceberg (Post 3638265)
Hot off the presses! (As of March 1). ARCOS batch size changes coming October 1 per the contract signed by both the company and ALPA.

look at it closely. does it apply to short notice trips? it's also a very small increase. There needs to be some common sense. a percentage of category size would be the best solution.


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