too late. It's already been negotiated away.

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IA is a very very tiny portion of it..most of these end up going to reroute and it's very hard to catch. even if it was just IA, there's 36,000 ACE reports in 3 years, but you think the system is fine how it is? amazing. And the scheduling people I talk with on my ACE reports say the company rarely pays the 23m7 pilot without prodding.

All reroutes should be examined by ALPA anyway. They are rarely paid correctly - even when the coverage ladder is not skipped. The scheduling committee is trying to get to that point. They already encourage every rerouted pilot to submit an ACE report.

I wouldn’t call the current system perfect at all. I’m simply saying that from a financial perspective, it’s a far greater problem for the company than it is for us. The company wants ALPA to fix it for free. I’m all for ALPA fixing it ONLY if we receive something that is closely proportional to the value of this to the company. PSC would be a good starting point.

When did they say this?

I mean this in the nicest possible way, but…. Are you living under a rock?

i agree with you that we should receive something in kind, but I'm not sure why this wasn't addressed in the new PWA-that was the time to do it. it's not like this is a new problem

It was addressed and full implementation is 2 more years away. with real time ALPA access and reroute pay going away they will pay more for mishandling scheduling. They (management) know this and are trying to get easy relief early before it becomes an obvious cost increase, and more expensive to negotiate.

the underlying problem has not been addressed sufficiently really. Yes they’ll have to pay more but do you think that bothers them? They’ve bought us off many times with many grievances.

This. The longer this goes on, the more the company will need to offer us to solve the problem. They will try to get out of this early and inexpensively.

I recognize that many pilots believe they’ve been personally wronged by the company’s overuse of 23M7. I tend to agree with all of them. However, the company will encourage those pilots to direct their frustration to the MEC and demand immediate batch size relief. By framing it as a pilot problem, not a management problem, they can try to recruit pilots to assist their cause of obtaining cheap relief.

As frustrated as many pilots are, we need to recognize that the pilot group has the upper hand here. Any negotiations that take place should reflect that.

When were these negotiations and what was the result?