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Old 05-25-2023, 06:06 PM
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This is easy for me. I would have voted no on a TA that made this mandatory. Thus, Iíll be opting out.
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying View Post
same. I can definitely see the benefits for those close to retirement. But with 20, 30, or more years to go this is a tough sell. Itís too bad I canít opt out now and opt back in when Iím in my early 50s.

based off what has been published I think Iíll be better off with the cash.
with just over five years to goÖ.I will be opting out. I donít see where the tax benefit outweighs the flexibility to do what I choose with that money.
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Glad the Union made it optional. I'm out

I feel for new hires after June 1st that will be forced into this plan. Only reasonable scenario where the MBCBP is a good idea is someone close to retirement running their portfolio conservatively
Will they be forced into it, or will they be given a chance to opt out in indoc?
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Old 05-25-2023, 06:14 PM
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Will they be forced into it, or will they be given a chance to opt out in indoc?
"In addition, similar to the 401(k) auto-enrollment, all pilots hired on or after June 1, 2023 will be automatically enrolled in the MBCBP."
Go read the email.
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Old 05-25-2023, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Rinaldi View Post
with just over five years to goÖ.I will be opting out. I donít see where the tax benefit outweighs the flexibility to do what I choose with that money.
The benefit for those close to retirement that I see is the amount put in must equal the amount available at retirement. In your situation it is a place to put money that is guaranteed not to lose face value. not saying you should use it, just that that is the benefit I see.

totally understand you not wanting to use it though. Itís a guaranteed low return.
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This thread is proof positive that you should never take financial advice from pilots. There are numerous issues with the conclusions that most of the opt out folks are making.

Itís not worth debating people on the internet who insist on making big life decisions with an incredible lack of due diligence, but anyone on the fence on this decision should seek the advice of a financial advisor. There is a reason that the highest income earners all gravitate toward these plans, and it has nothing to do with their inability to beat the expected returns of this plan in their brokerage account.

DYODD and donít let an anonymous web board talk you into a very costly irreversible decision.

Iíll also add that there are no doubt pilots who have legitimate reasons to opt out and will be better off by doing so, but Iíve yet to see a single example discussed in this thread.
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Originally Posted by Puddytatt View Post
"In addition, similar to the 401(k) auto-enrollment, all pilots hired on or after June 1, 2023 will be automatically enrolled in the MBCBP."
Go read the email.

I'm curious, if the opt out rate is well over 50% for those hired in the last 10 years if the union will find a way to make it optional for new hires.
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Originally Posted by First Break View Post
This thread is proof positive that you should never take financial advice from pilots. There are numerous issues with the conclusions that most of the opt out folks are making.

Itís not worth debating people on the internet who insist on making big life decisions with an incredible lack of due diligence, but anyone on the fence on this decision should seek the advice of a financial advisor. There is a reason that the highest income earners all gravitate toward these plans, and it has nothing to do with their inability to beat the expected returns of this plan in their brokerage account.

DYODD and donít let an anonymous web board talk you into a very costly irreversible decision.

Iíll also add that there are no doubt pilots who have legitimate reasons to opt out and will be better off by doing so, but Iíve yet to see a single example discussed in this thread.
do whatever you think is right for you, but just a point, most examples I can find of high income earners who use this are self employed or work in a small business and thus have a much higher degree of control over where the money is invested. I have not found too many examples of this type of plan being used for over 10,000 people.
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying View Post
I'm curious, if the opt out rate is well over 50% for those hired in the last 10 years if the union will find a way to make it optional for new hires.
I bet if the opt out rate is high enough ALPA will miraculously come up with another opt in period. They probably got a portion of the management fees based on a predicted amount that would be going into the Blackrock account.
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Originally Posted by capncrunch View Post
I bet if the opt out rate is high enough ALPA will miraculously come up with another opt in period. They probably got a portion of the management fees based on a predicted amount that would be going into the Blackrock account.
you have any evidence of this corruption or just throwing accusations out for the fun of it?
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