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07-22-2023 | 07:43 AM

#61

Hotel Kilo

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Originally Posted by Trip7

Per the CPO on SkyNet ignore the media reports which are grossly exaggerating the event. There is an internal investigation going on and results will be shared later but crew did everything right. Also the flight returned to the gate for a medical event unrelated to heat.

So the company, the one that is probably going to get sued, is telling you that "All is well, nothing to see here" yet the press - who you have shilled for in the past is now suspect? Help me out with that contradiction.

On a side note, I surely hope the story you mention is correct. The optics are out there though and unfortunately we now operate in the court of public opinion - that is not on our side in this case.

07-22-2023 | 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Jaww

People defecating themselves apparently was ok? This story gets more fun to follow by the day.

To be fair, the flight was leaving Vegas. People sh!*ing themselves may be completely unrelated to how hot it was.

07-22-2023 | 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

The biggest problem is no one writes the systems up. If the aircraft won’t maintain 75 degrees in the cabin on a 95 degree day it’s broken. Write them up! Many of the aircraft are riddled with duct leaks.

And the mechanics will troubleshoot the empty plane at night or in the hanger and document that the air blows cold. Ops check good, AC returned to service. Come on man.

07-22-2023 | 07:59 AM

#64

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Originally Posted by hvydvr

To be fair, the flight was leaving Vegas. People sh!*ing themselves may be completely unrelated to how hot it was.

All my flights out of LAS have been some of the calmest pax I’ve seen…they are all sunburned, tired, and broke…they just pour themselves into the seat and pass out until we land.

Now the flight TO Vegas…different story…

07-22-2023 | 08:10 AM

#65

UGBSM

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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44

It’s easy to say they shouldn’t have accepted the plane after the passengers start passing out. How close do you want to get to that point before you go against the grain?

I agree, it's easy in hindsight. I'm saying it's not always just a cut and dried decision.

The day after this LAS heat incident, I made a decision to start the APU as soon as I got on the aircraft and pull the ground air because I felt it wasn't adequate in ATL. Just my intuition and experience. I didn't want to get behind the cooling power curve. So I go outside to shut off the air and the ALA starts giving me a bunch of grief. Why am I doing this? Is the ground air not cool enough? He thinks it is. I tell him "No, it's not. Please pull the air now". To which I get another round of the same questions. Finally I just shut off the air power myself and walk away. It was frustrating and I wasn't trying to be mean, I was just done arguing about it.

07-22-2023 | 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Tropical

And the mechanics will troubleshoot the empty plane at night or in the hanger and document that the air blows cold. Ops check good, AC returned to service. Come on man.

Thats exactly what they will do the first time. The second write up being a repeat triggers scrutiny and the third is a problem for maintenance they have to make a solid effort to correct. If you want good aircraft make clear, concise write ups on every problem. If you can’t be bothered to write something up don’t ***** about it.

07-22-2023 | 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

Thanks Dad. You are getting grouchier in retirement.

07-22-2023 | 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by UGBSM

Most ground air units simply can’t keep up when it’s hot. If the cockpit and the rest of the airplane aren’t nice and cool(not simply “tolerable”) then it’s up to us to make it so. The execs don’t work in a uncomfortable office, and neither should we or our passengers.

Last edited by Guppydriver95; 07-22-2023 at 09:37 AM.

07-22-2023 | 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Gunfighter

We shouldn't have near new hire Captains flying around the domestic system where they are exposed to numerous MELs, tight turns and plane swaps. If we started our new captains on the international side of the operation with minimal MELs, better maintenance and dispatch support at the touch of a button they could ease into the job.

Perhaps, but this particular captain in question has been here 15 years.