Random Screening
08-26-2023 | 02:02 PM
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Each station is its own little fiefdom with its own made up rules. I remember there was one station in Texas where they made the agents physically touch the ID badge as if they’re masters in different kinds of plastic.
2 FAs had their badges in clear plastic holders and the agent would loudly say “Take it out I have to touch it!” Got a little side eye for saying “Phrasing!”
I mean are we not doing phrasing anymore?
2 FAs had their badges in clear plastic holders and the agent would loudly say “Take it out I have to touch it!” Got a little side eye for saying “Phrasing!”
I mean are we not doing phrasing anymore?
In the law words matter. Regardless of your definition of absurd. It says government issued ID. Maybe you should look it up as you are so fond of telling others to do. There are plenty of absurdities in TSA land. A concealed carry permit that has a photo, requires a background check and fingerprinting cannot be used but a VA issued ID that I can upload a picture of my cat for is acceptable. And I am absurd. Pshaw.
In uniform = front of pre-check line. 3/3/3 does not apply.
Out of uniform = get in the back of the line like everyone else. You will undergo whatever is required for normal screenig (shoes off belts off etc) and comply with 3/3/3/ etc
The problem I have with "in uniform" is when they make me take my shoes/belt/etc off. That's not what it says in the guidance for being in uniform. I really enjoy the pat down in uniform in front of the flying public - classy TSA. This is where 20Fathoms' comment about fiefdoms comes to play. Then again this is the federal government, they pretty much would ef up a ham sandwich.
08-26-2023 | 02:22 PM
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JFK comes to mind.
Even as an FFDO at one time; it could be a hassle too.
Breezy is correct. Go to ALPA, log in and go read the KCM requirements. For random screening :
In uniform = front of pre-check line. 3/3/3 does not apply.
Out of uniform = get in the back of the line like everyone else. You will undergo whatever is required for normal screenig (shoes off belts off etc) and comply with 3/3/3/ etc
The problem I have with "in uniform" is when they make me take my shoes/belt/etc off. That's not what it says in the guidance for being in uniform. I really enjoy the pat down in uniform in front of the flying public - classy TSA. This is where 20Fathoms' comment about fiefdoms comes to play. Then again this is the federal government, they pretty much would ef up a ham sandwich.
Even as an FFDO at one time; it could be a hassle too.
Breezy is correct. Go to ALPA, log in and go read the KCM requirements. For random screening :
In uniform = front of pre-check line. 3/3/3 does not apply.
Out of uniform = get in the back of the line like everyone else. You will undergo whatever is required for normal screenig (shoes off belts off etc) and comply with 3/3/3/ etc
The problem I have with "in uniform" is when they make me take my shoes/belt/etc off. That's not what it says in the guidance for being in uniform. I really enjoy the pat down in uniform in front of the flying public - classy TSA. This is where 20Fathoms' comment about fiefdoms comes to play. Then again this is the federal government, they pretty much would ef up a ham sandwich.
08-26-2023 | 02:33 PM
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I’m a rule follower. Love following the rules. Still, while in full uniform the other day I got randomly selected for additional screening. Walked to the pre-check line, emptied my pockets and walked through the metal detector…third time through and the TSA agent says I must remove wings and name tag. FUPM! (FU Pat Me) No private room. I’ll take mine in full view of pax, please.
Has anyone actually seen a crew member remove wings or name tag for a security screening?
-Bo
Has anyone actually seen a crew member remove wings or name tag for a security screening?
-Bo
08-26-2023 | 02:58 PM
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This is funny. TSA doesn’t even read their own rules. Any government issued ID is acceptable according to TSA rules but they decide on a case by case basis what they will accept. They seem to never allow a government issued concealed carry ID even though you have to pass a background check to get one. They sometimes allow VA issued ID (and sometimes not). They sometimes insist on seeing your pilots license as a second ID etc. etc. So yeah it does seem a little random and confusing.
08-26-2023 | 02:59 PM
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There was a post on APC a few weeks ago where the pilot was out of uniform but was stopped because they went right to precheck like their non rev pass said instead of first going to KCM and getting a "random". No idea what station. At RSW, everyone gets the full monte, no KCM, no precheck for employees.
Truly, I don’t get the disdain.
08-26-2023 | 03:01 PM
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In the law words matter. Regardless of your definition of absurd. It says government issued ID. Maybe you should look it up as you are so fond of telling others to do. There are plenty of absurdities in TSA land. A concealed carry permit that has a photo, requires a background check and fingerprinting cannot be used but a VA issued ID that I can upload a picture of my cat for is acceptable. And I am absurd. Pshaw.
"A weapon permit is not an acceptable form of identification. A temporary driver's license is not an acceptable form of identification."
https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-...identification
08-26-2023 | 03:56 PM
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There was a post on APC a few weeks ago where the pilot was out of uniform but was stopped because they went right to precheck like their non rev pass said instead of first going to KCM and getting a "random". No idea what station. At RSW, everyone gets the full monte, no KCM, no precheck for employees.
We’re never compelled to use KCM when we’re traveling as a passenger with a boarding pass.
08-26-2023 | 04:03 PM
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Like I said words matter. The document you are referring to is for general passenger screening. The one I linked above is for KCM. And can you explain to me why a concealed carry permit that is harder to get than a driver’s license is not a valid form of ID but a VA ID card that I could have my neighbor’s cat pose for when I take the picture at home and upload it is acceptable? I know - not your problem but it really is all of our problem.
08-26-2023 | 04:05 PM
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I love how TSA conveniently forgets how, for decades, they had employee screening lines. Heck, even the Hudson News worker gets a ‘special’ line with nothing but a metal detector. But pilots commuting to work? Oh, heeeeelll no! Back of the line!!
Truly, I don’t get the disdain.
Truly, I don’t get the disdain.
08-26-2023 | 04:16 PM
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https://www.apfa.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/KCM-Program-Changes_OCT19.pdf
Like I said words matter. The document you are referring to is for general passenger screening. The one I linked above is for KCM. And can you explain to me why a concealed carry permit that is harder to get than a driver’s license is not a valid form of ID but a VA ID card that I could have my neighbor’s cat pose for when I take the picture at home and upload it is acceptable? I know - not your problem but it really is all of our problem.
Like I said words matter. The document you are referring to is for general passenger screening. The one I linked above is for KCM. And can you explain to me why a concealed carry permit that is harder to get than a driver’s license is not a valid form of ID but a VA ID card that I could have my neighbor’s cat pose for when I take the picture at home and upload it is acceptable? I know - not your problem but it really is all of our problem.
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