I think..."Any rotation that touches a listed holiday will receive an additional ADG (5:15) pay/no credit for each holiday".

i believe this ^^^^^^ is accurate as additional info for other readers.

Wait wait all pay went up the same % (I know some fleets were left behind with banding). So saying we are not greedy because new hires get paid more is disingenuous. They get paid more because we all get paid more.

This coming from a person that bought a residence (condo) on year 2 regional pay ($24/hr), but I worked a second and third job to afford it.

Ah, you fell into one of the classic blunders. Thinking that the only thing that matters in earth is what happened when you were a Delta pilot..

Seriously? Where? My home is smaller, further away, no golf course, no pool, and is more than double that. New hires in our western bases are not wealthy unless it comes from somewhere else. Oh right, we only have an Atlanta base…..:D

Living anywhere but ATL is a choice. /S

Sorry. Did you want to ask a question or just assume something?. Did I say it was in Atlanta? Did I say it was 2 miles from the airport?

I gave my facts(unembellished/unvarnished) and used the town where I live which has remained unchanged for 30+ years. What's that saying....where you live is a choice.

Pay is pay regardless if you choose to live 2 miles away from LAX or Minot ND.(no, I don't live in Minot) Pay scales aren't negotiated on disparate costs of living. Just like new hires can't afford a house 1 mile away from LAX, neither can a captain with the requisites I expounded upon. But, with the new contract, new hires are much closer than any pilots in the last 35 years. I also mentioned TVM and DC. Over 30 years that TVM on the DC is huge compared to the guy with 5 years to go. I'm not upset, just stating facts. New hires today are in an infinitely better spot than the proven black swans endured previously. The DB black swan has been negotiated out of the "at risk" column with DC. B-scale flight engineer is no longer in the possibility column. At least for now, management can pay down substantial debt and make the possibility of bankruptcy less of a possibility combined with too big to fail.

Those three black swans have essentially been mitigated. It would be hard to imagine events in the future being as unsettled as the past 25 years. I am sure their will be calamities but (with UAL protecting possible furloughs recently) it's a whole new world. Single pilot ops, a possibility, has even been mitigated in the PWA. All these "mitigation strategies" came with a cost. Yes, that benefit was reaped by all on the property but was paid for at the expense of retirement. After bankruptcy, the primary focus was pay. Then came QOL which got pillaged in bankruptcy. This last was pay and QOL with minor improvements in retirement(but due to TVM the longer your horizon, the grater the benefit)

If the biggest calamity to befall pilots today is an age change to 67(not gonna affect me)....they will definitely have a blessed career(comparatively speaking). These are just my thoughts, what I explain to my kids, and whether they believe it or not, is an individual choice. But the facts have to at least be presented.

Sorry if the facts ruffle feathers.

TVM and compounding is real and "magical". The only way to experience that magic, is to have a long time horizon.

My bad, I thought my post that literally started with 2 sentences ending in question marks contained two questions. I’ll repeat. Seriously? Where? And if your answer is Minot, ND well I’ll posit you were being disingenuous with your 2 miles comment.

I hope you're right. Reference my recent post, I've had all my EDP & SIT pays disappear from OE buys (haven't had a CARVE pay trip get bought for OE, so no data point for that). You note that HOL pay is not listed under rotation guarantee--but, §4F deals with conflicts; §4E is company convenience, and it explicitly excludes OE (among other items). I think the intent is clear (that the "total pay" is the value of the trip if one is to be paid), but the contractual language is lacking (insert shocked face emoji here).

This is in line with losing pay for manual corrections in categories with multiple pay rates: when CS is only looking at credit (and, that's really all they look at), pay-only items (and pay rate disparities) get overlooked.

My god every thread here is starting to read like "old men yelling at clouds". I didn't realize ADHD was so common in our age group.

Maybe the mods (is this place even still moderated?) should just merge every thread into one big senior vs junior slugfest. Because that seems to be what every thread devolves into now.

Dumb question, but you called CS and they corrected it, right?