What management thinks of us
#234
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As far as “the worst culture”…I’m not so sure…I have friends at FDX & SWA, they are pretty P.Off.
#235
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QOL not tied to a particular contact is all you should care about.
#236
1. When it comes to safety, major life events (death in the family, cancer, major car accidents, hospitalization, etc), I have found the company does a fantastic job. That Culture is still healthy, IMO. I’ve had nothing but great experience with those kinds of things, and I’ve been on disability 2x, and dealt with spousal cancer.
2. Totally separate from that is contract compliance. There has always been some friction over legal “assignments”, pay, etc. And frankly, there always will be some “noise” there. Obviously, mgmt has pizzed off a big portion of the pilot group recently. While I do think that Covid caused noticeable shift, most of that was “just business”. In the early days, no one knew the impacts would be relatively short lived. Mgmt decisions were based in keeping the company solvent; then they were slow to return to a “normal” tenor, due to the 2 sides being less trusting of the other, compounded by contract negotiations. However, when the contract was signed, there was a very marked shift in contract compliance. ALPA Contract Admin noted that, despite historical norms of coming back together after a new contract, the company seemed to go the other way. Almost like they thought they got “rolled” in negotiations, and were looking to take it out on us by being intentionally difficult.
While it pizzes me off to no end that they are weaponizing and renegotiating the contract by non-compliance, 99% of things are indisputable. We will win some of these grievances - the real meat is in the penalty. If they aren’t made to pay for their BS shenanigans, it will only embolden them to take more sections “hostage”.
All that said, the “culture” here, while not super healthy, could be sooooooo much worse. Like most folks have no idea how much worse. So I’m not sure I’d agree it’s toxic. At least not yet.
#237
Company currently has me royally ****ed off still.
I'm spending more than my mortgage payment on a drug that's in the formulary, covered by our insurance, that a non MD in HR has ruled my wife doesn't need.
Needs it because of a brain tumor but if she was a 400 pound diabetic who doesn't even care about their blood sugar or diet they'd pay.
I'm spending more than my mortgage payment on a drug that's in the formulary, covered by our insurance, that a non MD in HR has ruled my wife doesn't need.
Needs it because of a brain tumor but if she was a 400 pound diabetic who doesn't even care about their blood sugar or diet they'd pay.
#238
Couple things to note here.
1. When it comes to safety, major life events (death in the family, cancer, major car accidents, hospitalization, etc), I have found the company does a fantastic job. That Culture is still healthy, IMO. I’ve had nothing but great experience with those kinds of things, and I’ve been on disability 2x, and dealt with spousal cancer.
2. Totally separate from that is contract compliance. There has always been some friction over legal “assignments”, pay, etc. And frankly, there always will be some “noise” there. Obviously, mgmt has pizzed off a big portion of the pilot group recently. While I do think that Covid caused noticeable shift, most of that was “just business”. In the early days, no one knew the impacts would be relatively short lived. Mgmt decisions were based in keeping the company solvent; then they were slow to return to a “normal” tenor, due to the 2 sides being less trusting of the other, compounded by contract negotiations. However, when the contract was signed, there was a very marked shift in contract compliance. ALPA Contract Admin noted that, despite historical norms of coming back together after a new contract, the company seemed to go the other way. Almost like they thought they got “rolled” in negotiations, and were looking to take it out on us by being intentionally difficult.
While it pizzes me off to no end that they are weaponizing and renegotiating the contract by non-compliance, 99% of things are indisputable. We will win some of these grievances - the real meat is in the penalty. If they aren’t made to pay for their BS shenanigans, it will only embolden them to take more sections “hostage”.
All that said, the “culture” here, while not super healthy, could be sooooooo much worse. Like most folks have no idea how much worse. So I’m not sure I’d agree it’s toxic. At least not yet.
1. When it comes to safety, major life events (death in the family, cancer, major car accidents, hospitalization, etc), I have found the company does a fantastic job. That Culture is still healthy, IMO. I’ve had nothing but great experience with those kinds of things, and I’ve been on disability 2x, and dealt with spousal cancer.
2. Totally separate from that is contract compliance. There has always been some friction over legal “assignments”, pay, etc. And frankly, there always will be some “noise” there. Obviously, mgmt has pizzed off a big portion of the pilot group recently. While I do think that Covid caused noticeable shift, most of that was “just business”. In the early days, no one knew the impacts would be relatively short lived. Mgmt decisions were based in keeping the company solvent; then they were slow to return to a “normal” tenor, due to the 2 sides being less trusting of the other, compounded by contract negotiations. However, when the contract was signed, there was a very marked shift in contract compliance. ALPA Contract Admin noted that, despite historical norms of coming back together after a new contract, the company seemed to go the other way. Almost like they thought they got “rolled” in negotiations, and were looking to take it out on us by being intentionally difficult.
While it pizzes me off to no end that they are weaponizing and renegotiating the contract by non-compliance, 99% of things are indisputable. We will win some of these grievances - the real meat is in the penalty. If they aren’t made to pay for their BS shenanigans, it will only embolden them to take more sections “hostage”.
All that said, the “culture” here, while not super healthy, could be sooooooo much worse. Like most folks have no idea how much worse. So I’m not sure I’d agree it’s toxic. At least not yet.
Its their own fault if they feel they got “rolled over”. Nobody asked them to go to mediation and nobody asked them to go on national TV and say we can’t strike.
We also got the “take it or l’ll put you on ice”. We took the best of the outcome for that particular moment.
#239
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REALITY vs. AIRLINE CONTRACTS
A “No funny” satire
Now comes the honorable Plaintiff REALITY with a complaint of breach and damages in its contractual relationship with AIRLINE CONTRACTS. Namely that intentional and fraudulent violations do not fit under the “fly it now, grieve it later” clause.
Defendants AIRLINE CONTRACTS moves to dismiss stating REALITY does not exist and therefore has no standing as a party to complain.
Defendants AIRLINE CONTACTS also moves to have the introduced evidence, a petition from the pilot group (signed in blood from their @$$ez), thrown out as hearsay and irrelevant.
REALITY counters that it does exist and that a simple 3 step testing process using nothing moar than a suitable pair of yoga pants can produce observable, measurable, and repeatable conclusive results to prove it has standing.
REALITY provides the steps as follows;
1. Find a suitable pair of yoga pants.
2. Grab yoga pants at any location to determine “suitability” and acceptability of the material.
3. Observe reality;
A. Reality is readily discernible if you find yourself knee’d to the nuts, hammer fisted all the way to the ground followed by a few additional kicks and a final face stomp. Reality may include yelling, cursing, spitting, or additional unmentionable tortures.
B. If reality is indiscernible, return the yoga pants to your sister or mom and find a “suitable” pair of yoga pants for this reality test.
REALITY attests that several conclusions can be deduced from these observations;
1. Reality does exist
2. Reality can be in your face painful when provoked
3. Reality will not fly it now, grieve it later when intentionally wronged
4. Reality will not “exhaust administrative resources” prior to seeking remedial action
5. Reality displays the time tested maxim “for every wrong there IS a remedy”
REALITY moves to grant justice to the Plaintiff and award damages as stated in the complaint.
AIRLINE CONTRACTS is silent on the matter preoccupied with holding their groin, spitting blood, and mumbling “mommy” or something as insignificant.
A “No funny” satire
Now comes the honorable Plaintiff REALITY with a complaint of breach and damages in its contractual relationship with AIRLINE CONTRACTS. Namely that intentional and fraudulent violations do not fit under the “fly it now, grieve it later” clause.
Defendants AIRLINE CONTRACTS moves to dismiss stating REALITY does not exist and therefore has no standing as a party to complain.
Defendants AIRLINE CONTACTS also moves to have the introduced evidence, a petition from the pilot group (signed in blood from their @$$ez), thrown out as hearsay and irrelevant.
REALITY counters that it does exist and that a simple 3 step testing process using nothing moar than a suitable pair of yoga pants can produce observable, measurable, and repeatable conclusive results to prove it has standing.
REALITY provides the steps as follows;
1. Find a suitable pair of yoga pants.
2. Grab yoga pants at any location to determine “suitability” and acceptability of the material.
3. Observe reality;
A. Reality is readily discernible if you find yourself knee’d to the nuts, hammer fisted all the way to the ground followed by a few additional kicks and a final face stomp. Reality may include yelling, cursing, spitting, or additional unmentionable tortures.
B. If reality is indiscernible, return the yoga pants to your sister or mom and find a “suitable” pair of yoga pants for this reality test.
REALITY attests that several conclusions can be deduced from these observations;
1. Reality does exist
2. Reality can be in your face painful when provoked
3. Reality will not fly it now, grieve it later when intentionally wronged
4. Reality will not “exhaust administrative resources” prior to seeking remedial action
5. Reality displays the time tested maxim “for every wrong there IS a remedy”
REALITY moves to grant justice to the Plaintiff and award damages as stated in the complaint.
AIRLINE CONTRACTS is silent on the matter preoccupied with holding their groin, spitting blood, and mumbling “mommy” or something as insignificant.
#240
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REALITY vs. AIRLINE CONTRACTS
A “No funny” satire
Now comes the honorable Plaintiff REALITY with a complaint of breach and damages in its contractual relationship with AIRLINE CONTRACTS. Namely that intentional and fraudulent violations do not fit under the “fly it now, grieve it later” clause.
Defendants AIRLINE CONTRACTS moves to dismiss stating REALITY does not exist and therefore has no standing as a party to complain.
Defendants AIRLINE CONTACTS also moves to have the introduced evidence, a petition from the pilot group (signed in blood from their @$$ez), thrown out as hearsay and irrelevant.
REALITY counters that it does exist and that a simple 3 step testing process using nothing moar than a suitable pair of yoga pants can produce observable, measurable, and repeatable conclusive results to prove it has standing.
REALITY provides the steps as follows;
1. Find a suitable pair of yoga pants.
2. Grab yoga pants at any location to determine “suitability” and acceptability of the material.
3. Observe reality;
A. Reality is readily discernible if you find yourself knee’d to the nuts, hammer fisted all the way to the ground followed by a few additional kicks and a final face stomp. Reality may include yelling, cursing, spitting, or additional unmentionable tortures.
B. If reality is indiscernible, return the yoga pants to your sister or mom and find a “suitable” pair of yoga pants for this reality test.
REALITY attests that several conclusions can be deduced from these observations;
1. Reality does exist
2. Reality can be in your face painful when provoked
3. Reality will not fly it now, grieve it later when intentionally wronged
4. Reality will not “exhaust administrative resources” prior to seeking remedial action
5. Reality displays the time tested maxim “for every wrong there IS a remedy”
REALITY moves to grant justice to the Plaintiff and award damages as stated in the complaint.
AIRLINE CONTRACTS is silent on the matter preoccupied with holding their groin, spitting blood, and mumbling “mommy” or something as insignificant.
A “No funny” satire
Now comes the honorable Plaintiff REALITY with a complaint of breach and damages in its contractual relationship with AIRLINE CONTRACTS. Namely that intentional and fraudulent violations do not fit under the “fly it now, grieve it later” clause.
Defendants AIRLINE CONTRACTS moves to dismiss stating REALITY does not exist and therefore has no standing as a party to complain.
Defendants AIRLINE CONTACTS also moves to have the introduced evidence, a petition from the pilot group (signed in blood from their @$$ez), thrown out as hearsay and irrelevant.
REALITY counters that it does exist and that a simple 3 step testing process using nothing moar than a suitable pair of yoga pants can produce observable, measurable, and repeatable conclusive results to prove it has standing.
REALITY provides the steps as follows;
1. Find a suitable pair of yoga pants.
2. Grab yoga pants at any location to determine “suitability” and acceptability of the material.
3. Observe reality;
A. Reality is readily discernible if you find yourself knee’d to the nuts, hammer fisted all the way to the ground followed by a few additional kicks and a final face stomp. Reality may include yelling, cursing, spitting, or additional unmentionable tortures.
B. If reality is indiscernible, return the yoga pants to your sister or mom and find a “suitable” pair of yoga pants for this reality test.
REALITY attests that several conclusions can be deduced from these observations;
1. Reality does exist
2. Reality can be in your face painful when provoked
3. Reality will not fly it now, grieve it later when intentionally wronged
4. Reality will not “exhaust administrative resources” prior to seeking remedial action
5. Reality displays the time tested maxim “for every wrong there IS a remedy”
REALITY moves to grant justice to the Plaintiff and award damages as stated in the complaint.
AIRLINE CONTRACTS is silent on the matter preoccupied with holding their groin, spitting blood, and mumbling “mommy” or something as insignificant.
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