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Old 11-29-2023 | 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by interceptorpilo
OK sure but didn’t we hear this months ago or at least a month ago? So “coming weeks” is how long? So far the roll out has seemed worse than milquetoast.
I don't know if DALPA has ever (in recent history) had to deal with the kind of contract violations we are seeing. I’m sure a real response take time to formulate. We shall see. If not, time for a changing of the guard.
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Old 11-29-2023 | 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad
I don't know if DALPA has ever (in recent history) had to deal with the kind of contract violations we are seeing. I’m sure a real response take time to formulate. We shall see. If not, time for a changing of the guard.
I’m rapidly reaching the point where I would vote against anyone who voted for DH.
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Old 11-29-2023 | 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad
I don't know if DALPA has ever (in recent history) had to deal with the kind of contract violations we are seeing. I’m sure a real response take time to formulate. We shall see. If not, time for a changing of the guard.
I'm wondering at what point these contract violations (if they really meet that threshold) would be considered an illegal job action by the company - if not individually, then cumulatively.
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Old 11-29-2023 | 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoosier Daddy
I'm wondering at what point these contract violations (if they really meet that threshold) would be considered an illegal job action by the company - if not individually, then cumulatively.
doubtful. The law is incredibly on their side. The threshold for a job action by labor is pretty freaking low while that of the company is pretty high. There is an engage podcast on the subject

labor is held to the standard that any change in behavior regardless of organization or reason constitutes a job action while companies are only considered in violation if you can prove they were intentionally doing it to influence labor negotiations. (Innocent until proven guilty for companies; guilty regardless of innocence for labor)

(Thanks to president set by pro business judges appointed by politicians)
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Old 11-29-2023 | 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
I’m rapidly reaching the point where I would vote against anyone who voted for DH.
If you're going to toss the MEC reps, toss them all.
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Old 11-29-2023 | 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
If you're going to toss the MEC reps, toss them all.
I don’t feel like those who have consistently voted against the direction we have been headed deserve to get tossed with those who did. I wouldn’t vote for all 8 of the dissenters, but at this point I would not vote for any of the 9 unless things change rapidly. And that’s coming from someone who voted against the recall of MC in 66.

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“don’t toss the baby out with the bath water”
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Old 11-29-2023 | 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
I don’t feel like those who have consistently voted against the direction we have been headed deserve to get tossed with those who did. I wouldn’t vote for all 8 of the dissenters, but at this point I would not vote for any of the 9 unless things change rapidly. And that’s coming from someone who voted against the recall of MC in 66.

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I don't think "rewarding" those who have voted no for everything, including a very popular TA and LOAs is the right move either.
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Old 11-29-2023 | 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad
I don't know if DALPA has ever (in recent history) had to deal with the kind of contract violations we are seeing. I’m sure a real response take time to formulate. We shall see. If not, time for a changing of the guard.
It was time for a changing of the guard six months ago. The batch size settlement laid the foundation for everything we are seeing today. The current MEC will never be respected nor taken seriously by management.
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Old 11-29-2023 | 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo
the lack of interest on this matter - at least here on APC - speaks volumes. Especially DH and his leadership. What are they (MEC) doing? What actions are being taken outside RLA and "educational videos"? At least from those crews I fly with, they are all concerned about this. Anecdotal yes, but I am curious, and concerned, about the apathy.
Measuring apathy by the activity of a handful of posters in an Internet forum sure seems like a strange concern to have - particularly when the actual coworkers you have real conversations with share your concern.

My hunch is that most folks recognize a digital yelling at clouds on APC is pretty worthless, and a lack of a chorus following your lead here is IMHO meaningless.
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Old 11-29-2023 | 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
I don't think "rewarding" those who have voted no for everything, including a very popular TA and LOAs is the right move either.
I agree. Like I said I probably would not vote for a few of the 8 (BK comes to mind) but if the “soft” response by DH is what we are upset by, those that put him there need to be held accountable.
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