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Old 12-10-2023 | 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Jughead135
Well, what are we waiting for…? Let’s perpetuate them!!


I heard it’s going to be “99 Luftballoons Airline,” a direct reference to the two states (49+50), and a nod to Ben’s long-time crush on Nena….
Mr Worldwide airlines? Or World Wide in the delta vernacular.
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Old 12-11-2023 | 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Nick Bradshaw
For what it's worth, Southwest isn't a transoceanic carrier and Delta isn't associated with any particular region, especially abroad. I doubt most people even in this country know why Delta is called Delta. But they sure as hell know where Hawaii and Alaska are, even in Japan and Europe.
When new service is added, people pay attention. They try the product and then build loyalty and a new association for what it is. This is no different. Alaska painted aircraft flying Seattle to LA? Heads explode? Nope
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Old 12-12-2023 | 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Remeber Aloha's 737 fleet that was so corroded from the salt air that one of them literally popped its top and became a convertible in flight!
I'm not sure how much that was the salt air versus the high cycles back when hours were thought to be the main metric to track that stuff. But either way, I'm sure its a known quantity now. Even if DL didn't want the airframes to fly, we'd probably be interested in some as parts planes for the right price. That could maybe even free up some current DL 717's being ear marked as parts planes. I bet DL could get a very good deal on them.
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Old 12-14-2023 | 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
Even if DL didn't want the airframes to fly, we'd probably be interested in some as parts planes for the right price. That could maybe even free up some current DL 717's being ear marked as parts planes. I bet DL could get a very good deal on them.
In 5-7 years when they are completely clapped out.
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Old 12-15-2023 | 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
I'm not sure how much that was the salt air versus the high cycles back when hours were thought to be the main metric to track that stuff. But either way, I'm sure its a known quantity now. Even if DL didn't want the airframes to fly, we'd probably be interested in some as parts planes for the right price. That could maybe even free up some current DL 717's being ear marked as parts planes. I bet DL could get a very good deal on them.
I think we are both kind of right on this.

The piece of the fuselage blown off the aircraft was never found.[13]Investigation by the U. S. National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) concluded that the accident was caused by metal fatigue exacerbated by crevice corrosion. The aircraft was 19 years old and operated in a coastal environment, with exposure to salt and humidity.

Regarding the Hawaiian 717's keep in mind it will probably be 3 years or more before they actually pull the first one from their fleet. Will Delta want them in 2027?
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Old 12-15-2023 | 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I think we are both kind of right on this.

The piece of the fuselage blown off the aircraft was never found.[13]Investigation by the U. S. National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) concluded that the accident was caused by metal fatigue exacerbated by crevice corrosion. The aircraft was 19 years old and operated in a coastal environment, with exposure to salt and humidity.

Regarding the Hawaiian 717's keep in mind it will probably be 3 years or more before they actually pull the first one from their fleet. Will Delta want them in 2027?
If we needed 717 parts so badly, I don't think we'd have passed 4 used tails onto Hawaiian earlier this year.
www.planespotters.net/airframe/boeing-717-200-n825bc-hawaiian-airlines/3w59k3
www.planespotters.net/airframe/boeing-717-200-n826bc-hawaiian-airlines/e9z4p3
www.planespotters.net/airframe/boeing-717-200-n883bc-hawaiian-airlines/el54n3

www.planespotters.net/airframe/boeing-717-200-n728bc-hawaiian-airlines/34v6x3
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Old 12-15-2023 | 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Regarding the Hawaiian 717's keep in mind it will probably be 3 years or more before they actually pull the first one from their fleet. Will Delta want them in 2027?
Yeah that's probably about right. The approval and execution process of a merger isn't quick. Also, do we (the industry) have a good inspection process for concerns of high cycle salty air planes?

Adding some to the fleet for nearly free (who else would want them for any price?) wouldn't require much of an ROI time horizon.

Especially with 220 delivery hiccups if that's not fully resolved soon.
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