DWC CAP10 USAF

After the first 50 321 NEO’s (all ETOPS), the next 25-30 are going to have D1 lie flats to replace the 757 that have lie flats.

tennisguru

Yes but those are more for high dollar coast-to-coast business routes, not as much due to weight issues.

zippinbye

FWIW, I think it's 55 ETOPS versions, deliveries to be complete in 2024.

Trip7

All this is elatively minor compared to being on emergency fuel after you go around at a further out "customs capable" airport.

Overall this sounds like a challenging diversion situation inflamed by having a high mins Captain operating into an area of the country that had a significant amount of airports with a couple hundred miles at near CAT III mins

marcal

And this is why “high mins” is so ridiculous. Here we have a new Captain that could have gotten in just fine, and bc they’re on high mins are now forced into a situation that is taxing on an experienced CA let alone a brand new one. Both times I’ve been on high mins I had to use 5549 to do a CAT II to an auto land. Each time I considered and briefed using Emergency Authority to do a CAT III to an auto land if warranted(one time I had an ALT and one time I did not bc of unforecast weather).

If CATIII’s are getting in and my jet is capable, I’m strongly considering emergency authority to land vs divert to non customs airport if that’s the only option and ASAPing it.

I don’t know the whole story though.

m3113n1a1

Right? Especially with an autoland..

Scoop

I was thinking the same exact thing - High mins definitely can create issues - not sure it actually solves any. Also I forgot does the dispatcher automatically know if a Pilot is high mins or does the Pilot need to contact dispatch? If so this can easily lead to issues if the weather is forecast good many would not contact the dispatcher prior to departure and if the wx goes to CAT III unexpectedly we get last minute diversions to airports that provide minimal service.

All in all they safely landed in what must have been a stressful divert - good job. Sometimes we are victims of our success, air travel is so safe and routine people get upset at any deviation from a perfect experience.

Scoop

FangsF15

Per FOM 4.8.1, Low time Captains "shall advise the dispatcher of their status and evaluate the weather accordingly."

Totally agree with all y'all. It's silly, especially for Captains with FO time in type. Granted, you can reduce the 100 hour req by 1 hour for each landing up to 50, but how does moving 6' left honestly change things so much we (or more accuratly the FAA) drive ourselves into a worse problem. It's losing the forest for the trees.

beernutt

If you have time in any control seat of a type it counts towards high mins, ie if you ever were an FO on the 330 and had more than 100 hours doing it then you will not be on high mins if you go to the left seat. That's the way it has been interpreted by DAL dispatchers and (some) instructors I've asked. I'm not saying it's the correct interpretation but it allowed me (per dispatch) to do a no-kidding cat III into LAX one night on my second landing off OE. The dispatcher, when asked via Atlanta radio on the way there told me that since I had time as an FO on the same type (m88 vs 717, 20+ years ago) I was good to go.

I'm curious as to the real legality of this. Either way we (auto) landed fine and the statute of limitations has expired.

This is moot in the case of DAL21 anyway, the A was never a B on the plane.

iaflyer

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