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Old 12-29-2023, 05:53 AM
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MCO was not a new base, it was a VB. The union had a specific right to pull down VBs, but has no say in bases.

Cmon sailing, we both know there is a huge difference
There is a difference, I can tell you however that the company will connect the issues. It will heavily influence future basing decisions. If you think otherwise I have some prime swampland for sale. Only small gators and the water moccasins are quite tame, trust me!
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There is a difference, I can tell you however that the company will connect the issues. It will heavily influence future basing decisions. If you think otherwise I have some prime swampland for sale. Only small gators and the water moccasins are quite tame, trust me!
The company will open a new base when it makes fidiciary sense to do so.....they won't care about the rug the union pulled 6-9 years earlier with VB's.

No CEO would keep his job when the BOD asked why they didn't expand operations when the money pointed to doing so and CEO responds with "well, a few years ago the pilots were mean to me..."
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Old 12-29-2023, 06:05 AM
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The company will open a new base when it makes fidiciary sense to do so.....they won't care about the rug the union pulled 6-9 years earlier with VB's.

No CEO would keep his job when the BOD asked why they didn't expand operations when the money pointed to doing so and CEO responds with "well, a few years ago the pilots were mean to me..."
Exactly. And there isn't a cost benefit to a new base apparently. The flexability network enjoys means that new bases won't happen - a base is for specific fleets, and network moves those around month by month.

What might work in AUS this month might change when network decides upgauge all the A220 to a mix of 320 and 737s. There goes any benefit of a base.
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Old 12-29-2023, 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF View Post
The company will open a new base when it makes fidiciary sense to do so.....they won't care about the rug the union pulled 6-9 years earlier with VB's.

No CEO would keep his job when the BOD asked why they didn't expand operations when the money pointed to doing so and CEO responds with "well, a few years ago the pilots were mean to me..."
You have not been here long have you. I had the CEO of the airline tell me he would shut Delta airlines down before he let us have the jumpseat. Decisions to open or close a base come down to a percentage point or less in cost and that can flip on a marketing whim. They also have nothing to do with airline expansion. Delta has a current basing structure to cover any planned growth.
They also would prefer virtual bases that come at a much lower contractual cost. If DALPA starts clamoring for additional bases I am sure that they will offer to reinstate VB's with the small change that DALPA must give 6 months notice before pulling it down.
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You have not been here long have you. I had the CEO of the airline tell me he would shut Delta airlines down before he let us have the jumpseat. Decisions to open or close a base come down to a percentage point or less in cost and that can flip on a marketing whim. They also have nothing to do with airline expansion. Delta has a current basing structure to cover any planned growth.
They also would prefer virtual bases that come at a much lower contractual cost. If DALPA starts clamoring for additional bases I am sure that they will offer to reinstate VB's with the small change that DALPA must give 6 months notice before pulling it down.
And yet we have had jumpseat access for nearly 2 decades. I also heard a CEO say "there will not be a better deal" when the TA1 vote was open. And yet...

I get your point, but CEO's say lots of things trying to game things. I think he was speaking to what they actually do.
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Old 12-29-2023, 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by iaflyer View Post
What might work in AUS this month might change when network decides upgauge all the A220 to a mix of 320 and 737s. There goes any benefit of a base.
Normally I would argue against this. But hilariously for the first time in a very long time the 737 is scheduled into AUS in January and in no small fashion.

AUS has been a big 320 station for five years now with the 220 only being around post-COVID. The only reason you would see a Boeing there was because something else was broken.
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Old 12-29-2023, 07:04 AM
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A millyun years ago we put their back to the wall on bases, their answer was that they were quite comfortable actually with operating the whole shebang out of Mecca. (shortly there after they blew the second largest base to smithereens (DFW.)
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
You have not been here long have you. I had the CEO of the airline tell me he would shut Delta airlines down before he let us have the jumpseat. Decisions to open or close a base come down to a percentage point or less in cost and that can flip on a marketing whim. They also have nothing to do with airline expansion. Delta has a current basing structure to cover any planned growth.
They also would prefer virtual bases that come at a much lower contractual cost. If DALPA starts clamoring for additional bases I am sure that they will offer to reinstate VB's with the small change that DALPA must give 6 months notice before pulling it down.
And yet here we are...with jumpseat access and DL didn't shut down....sounds like your CEO was full of BS!

And comparing JS access (doesn't cost the company anything so the BOD and investors couldn't care less) to potential new bases (that have the potential to drive higher revenue, profit, market share, etc) is like comparing apples to Volkswagens...it makes no sense.

You are thinking like a pilot....you need to think like an investor.

If a CEO said "I didn't open a new base to spite the pilots even though reserach shows it would increase revenue and market share by xx%", that CEO would be fired before the end of the day. Investors don't give a sh!t about the CEO's feeelings toward labor as long as the profit keep growing and the stocks keep "beating the street"

But please, keep on condescending me about how I don't know anything all because of my time on property.

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Old 12-29-2023, 08:19 AM
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No. *filler*
ditto *filler
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Old 12-29-2023, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
Delta is like an Elephant, they never forget. With the very last minute cancelation of the MCO virtual base I suspect it's going to take a very compelling cost basis before they open any new base.
Except for that one time they forgot what a SIL was.
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