Ace update?
03-13-2024, 04:55 PM
#21
New Hire
Joined APC: Oct 2023
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Say WUUUTTT?
ACE costs $7/per pilot per month?! That's $84/year of my dues. I'd vote to keep that goingt to keep ACE. I get that it's not living up to it's name, but it is way better than what we had before ACE = nothing. I pay more than that for every other recurring cloud/service subcription I have. Is DALPA going broke!?! WTF.
I find it sick yet funny that the MEC literally just voted themselves in a raise (probably costing 5-10x of what ACE costs a year) and they are trying to cut a tool that most pilots find useful and easy to use.
You can't make this $h t up!
I find it sick yet funny that the MEC literally just voted themselves in a raise (probably costing 5-10x of what ACE costs a year) and they are trying to cut a tool that most pilots find useful and easy to use.
You can't make this $h t up!
03-13-2024, 05:01 PM
#22
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 4,921
Originally Posted by LeineLodge
You haven’t made any money from ACE. It’s a ticketing queue system that we pay almost $1.5M/year for.
Thank the DALPA scheduling experts answering the tickets. Not the app that is overcharging us for functionality a GA Tech intern could write over a long weekend.
Thank the DALPA scheduling experts answering the tickets. Not the app that is overcharging us for functionality a GA Tech intern could write over a long weekend.
03-13-2024, 05:32 PM
#23
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Joined APC: Sep 2011
Posts: 4,184
Originally Posted by LeineLodge
How many violations are programmed? Who did/does the programming? Can it find violations that weren’t submitted as reports? If it is actually automated on batched data then why is the queue ever > 28 days max?
Prior to Flight Ops recently stepping up with Crew Assist functionality the queue was many months, sometimes approaching a year - no way was there automation grinding through the myriad reports. I’m not calling SK into question here (he’s done a LOT of good for the pilot group) but something isn’t jiving.
I would be genuinely interested in following up and seeing how this is working.
PM if you don’t want to splash specifics/names here.
Prior to Flight Ops recently stepping up with Crew Assist functionality the queue was many months, sometimes approaching a year - no way was there automation grinding through the myriad reports. I’m not calling SK into question here (he’s done a LOT of good for the pilot group) but something isn’t jiving.
I would be genuinely interested in following up and seeing how this is working.
PM if you don’t want to splash specifics/names here.
The fault of any backlog is 100% on the company for not paying your correctly in the first place, forcing ALPA to do the heavy lifting for them. Put that blame where it belongs!
ACE has a ton of automation, both current and planned. Once the API data access is fullly implemented, all the groundwork that’s been done over the last several years call be realized, and the real-time violations found. There is a LOT more to ACE than meets the eye.
Originally Posted by FL370esq
Serious question....what about ACE up to this point drives it to recover $20M/year? Does it currently have a feature whereby it audits rotations by applying PWA rules and flags violations or is it merely a method to queue up pilot-reported inquiries of potential violations? If the latter, seems like a pretty expensive substitute to email.
03-13-2024, 05:56 PM
#24
Roll’n Thunder
Joined APC: Oct 2009
Position: Pilot
Posts: 3,552
Originally Posted by FangsF15
You may not have meant it this way, but this sounds like a very, very soft view on the company’s pay shenanigans.
The fault of any backlog is 100% on the company for not paying your correctly in the first place, forcing ALPA to do the heavy lifting for them. Put that blame where it belongs!
ACE has a ton of automation, both current and planned. Once the API data access is fullly implemented, all the groundwork that’s been done over the last several years call be realized, and the real-time violations found. There is a LOT more to ACE than meets the eye.
Before ACE, ALPA recovered $3-5M a year. It’s now $20MILLION a year recovered. About 5x the effectiveness. How is that not worth $7/month of your dues dollars. Especially when the MEC just voted themselves a big raise??
The fault of any backlog is 100% on the company for not paying your correctly in the first place, forcing ALPA to do the heavy lifting for them. Put that blame where it belongs!
ACE has a ton of automation, both current and planned. Once the API data access is fullly implemented, all the groundwork that’s been done over the last several years call be realized, and the real-time violations found. There is a LOT more to ACE than meets the eye.
Before ACE, ALPA recovered $3-5M a year. It’s now $20MILLION a year recovered. About 5x the effectiveness. How is that not worth $7/month of your dues dollars. Especially when the MEC just voted themselves a big raise??
03-13-2024, 06:08 PM
#25
Property of Scheduling
Joined APC: Sep 2006
Position: Bus driver
Posts: 2,524
Originally Posted by IflyAeroPlanes
ACE costs $7/per pilot per month?! That's $84/year of my dues. I'd vote to keep that goingt to keep ACE. I get that it's not living up to it's name, but it is way better than what we had before ACE = nothing. I pay more than that for every other recurring cloud/service subcription I have. Is DALPA going broke!?! WTF.
I find it sick yet funny that the MEC literally just voted themselves in a raise (probably costing 5-10x of what ACE costs a year) and they are trying to cut a tool that most pilots find useful and easy to use.
You can't make this $h t up!
I find it sick yet funny that the MEC literally just voted themselves in a raise (probably costing 5-10x of what ACE costs a year) and they are trying to cut a tool that most pilots find useful and easy to use.
You can't make this $h t up!
adjust your boost cutoff..and
read the email.
03-13-2024, 06:10 PM
#26
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 4,909
Originally Posted by FangsF15
ACE has a ton of automation, both current and planned. Once the API data access is fullly implemented, all the groundwork that’s been done over the last several years call be realized, and the real-time violations found. There is a LOT more to ACE than meets the eye.
Someone could spend a few hours compiling an update on the roadmap for ACE and what cool new features are (supposedly) going to bring us ultimate synergy. Maybe it’s even the ACE folks themselves if they’re about to start fighting to retain a contract. In the absence of an education campaign, though, I’m getting tired of waiting for whatever’s coming and I’m tired of waiting for reports to go beyond “submitted to the union”. Show me why the expenditure is worthwhile.
03-13-2024, 06:19 PM
#27
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 4,909
Originally Posted by FangsF15
Before ACE, ALPA recovered $3-5M a year. It’s now $20MILLION a year recovered. About 5x the effectiveness. How is that not worth $7/month of your dues dollars. Especially when the MEC just voted themselves a big raise??
- Massive pay raises
- Massive increases in premium pay
- 40% more pilots
- Increased violation rate by the company
- Increased paranoia across the seniority list and associated self-sleuthing/reporting
Maybe you can prove ACE is 5X more effective, which would be pretty cool. But other than hearing it’s great on the innernets, I feel pretty uninformed on exactly what ACE is or isn’t doing for the pilot group. I know I’m better at finding company errors than I used to be…which has nothing to do with ACE.
03-13-2024, 06:25 PM
#28
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Joined APC: Jun 2011
Posts: 127
Originally Posted by FangsF15
There is a LOT more to ACE than meets the eye.
03-13-2024, 06:33 PM
#29
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Joined APC: Dec 2013
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
ACE recovers $20 million a year for the pilot group.
I’d say it’s worth every penny, especially considering the fact that we just secured back door access to all the scheduling data to unlock all of the real time ID capabilities. My understanding is this has been years in the making.
I’d say it’s worth every penny, especially considering the fact that we just secured back door access to all the scheduling data to unlock all of the real time ID capabilities. My understanding is this has been years in the making.
03-13-2024, 06:44 PM
#30
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Position: Bus driver
Posts: 2,524
Originally Posted by FL370esq
Serious question....what about ACE up to this point drives it to recover $20M/year? Does it currently have a feature whereby it audits rotations by applying PWA rules and flags violations or is it merely a method to queue up pilot-reported inquiries of potential violations? If the latter, seems like a pretty expensive substitute to email.
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